SONY Alpha System vs. Nikon vs. Canon vs. Pentax vs. Olympus vs. Fuji. Vol. 83 (part 2)


31.07.2018 8:52:00
(This is a continuation of the previous topic)
 

31.07.2018 8:52:00

what exactly, in your opinion, can not be removed for 24-70 of the listed?
macro, for example

second part of the 83rd volume


31.07.2018 9:04:00

31.07.2018 10:24:00

As a free illiteracy:
can I send you as a free educational program to the forum of makrushniki to tell you the difference between a zoom with crutches and the right macro lens?

31.07.2018 11:31:00

can I send you as a free educational program to the forum of makrushniki to tell you the difference between zoom with crutches and the right macro lens?
In your own words. So why the macro can not be shot at 24-70 with rings?

31.07.2018 11:45:00

So why the macro should not be shot on 24-70 with rings?
Who said that you can not walk on crutches?

31.07.2018 12:05:00

who said that you can not walk on crutches?
You said:
" -which, in your opinion, can not be removed by 24-70
-macro, for example, " SoEFFE91072F489688ECABC4E4A36DCC
So this is nonsense. Completely removed, and even the result will be comparable, the current of the haemorrhoids will be even larger. This is if a macro understood 1: 1 or more, and all sorts of butterflies, flowers are removed on 24-70 right out of the box.

31.07.2018 12:19:00

You would read carefully that I write, or you look like a clown (s).
And what is the problem to put aside and not include
He spent the whole evening shooting them if you did not understand.
He quite coped, just wrote that the menu is confusing and uncomfortable.
The Sony A6500's menu is quite convenient and understandable. For example, the same dpreview is emphasized separately. For example, the menus and ergonomics of Canon cameras seem ugly to me, but I do not give my opinion for the ultimate truth, unlike the local canonists.

31.07.2018 12:27:00

The cheapest macro lens on the f32 (sigma 55ka?) Will be much " lighter " than 24-70 with extensively on f22
1: 1 will be approximately f4. 5 even AF will still work.

would have offered an asshole forward to deploy something like 35-50mm and get close to 1: 1
Have you tried? That's where the haemorrhoids are so haemorrhoids.

not, you can chop something in an affordable FR - but if you want to shoot interesting and not just press the button. . .
If you want to shoot interesting, then the limitation is not at all 24-70. Yes, but it's writing, you immediately lose infinity.

They are being shot. It is certainly more difficult to remove / wear rings than to rearrange the makrushnik, but not much.

The macro never shot the tunnel?
Digam / tamer on the same 3: 1 also write a macro.

31.07.2018 12:30:00
removes a person, optics - this is just an instrument. Macro also can be different: it's one thing to take off a diamond ring and completely different to take out the food in the restaurant. There was a situation where friends asked me to take pictures beautifully at the restaurant, I was too lazy to drag the D-600, I took as an experiment the Samsung NX-3000 with a whale 16-50 with the correct lighting (and it works with Nikon flashes in manual mode) the result it turned out much better than all the other photographers who tried to photograph this matter to me on a much more advanced technique.
way, at the same samsung same whale photographed them then and interiors, the result also came out very good

31.07.2018 12:34:00

1: 1 will be approximately f4. 5 even AF will still work.

give you a link to the calculator, where you will see that on f4. 5. Do you get into the zhena ant an ant does not fit?


Have you tried? That's where the haemorrhoids are so haemorrhoids.

in general, let's immediately determine which macro you are shooting at all, will I start?

here's something inverted ass - Cheap and cheerful

and then I hear confident voice savvy theorist

31.07.2018 12:35:00

He took them off the whole evening if you did not understand.
And how do I understand, you're telling your story about the kenonist in parts. At that time, you still did not dososchinyal.

The Sony A6500 menu is quite convenient and understandable. For example, the same dpreview is emphasized separately. For example, the menus and ergonomics of Canon cameras seem ugly to me, but I do not give my opinion for the ultimate truth, unlike the local canonists.
That's exactly what you do. You just write your opinion like a dude in a video. Just a dude in the video does it cool and with pictures, and you are sad and unfounded.

31.07.2018 12:52:00

give you a link to the calculator, where you'll see that on f4. 5. Do you get into the zhena ant an ant does not fit?
not Tupi, it will be a maximum aperture of 3: 1 to 1 with the rings: 1.

in general, let's just define a macro you even take off, I start? Something like this. The crook is somewhere in millimeters 7. 60 mm macro - 37 mm rings.

31.07.2018 12:52:00

which macro
I heard somewhere that this is when the size of the projection of the survey object on the recorder is equal to or larger than the size of the object.
MDF makrowns can do this.
But the extension rings not only reduce the number of lights, but also reduce the resolution of the lens.
Is this true?

31.07.2018 13:05:00

But the extension rings not only reduce the number of lights, but also reduce the resolution of the lens.

yes, the biggest pop with a drop of light - you have falls and the lights and you still continue to pinch a hole is needed for adequate grip

resolution is usually more tolerate such violence

31.07.2018 13:05:00

Is that so?
None. The lens remains exactly the same, just the macro rings reduce the viewing angle by cutting out the center of the frame and stretching it to the entire matrix. Actually, the illumination falls exactly because. On the clamped holes, the resolution is not particularly critical, everything diffracts everything there.

31.07.2018 13:09:00
Andrew Brusentsev
Macro can also be different: it is one thing to remove a ring with a diamond, and quite another to remove the feeding dishes in the restaurant.
is not a macro.

the result was much better than that of all other photographers,
well, if it was a competition of crooked hands " macro " -Photographers of restaurant dishes. . . .

my wife mobile at all better than shooting a mirror. . .

31.07.2018 13:10:00

the resolution usually still suffers such violence
If only the projection center, which is four times smaller than the normal projection, falls into the recorder, then the resolution drops by half.
It's a shame. And so the optics with a good resolution on the fingers can be counted.
And all the multi- pixelity of the matrices under the tail.


is not a macro.
There are just such portions.

31.07.2018 13:18:00


nikon 24-70 @ 55mm MDF 0. 38m and ET 36mm will have a min focus distance in 0. 122m and visible field in 44h29mm - ie, to 1:.. 1 does not hold more

DOF on hole φ4. 0 at CoC 0. 025mm (it does not matter, we will not compare) will be 0. 3mm on f22 will be 1. 6mm DOP

if we discard the LGTB trends and take a macro lens at 55mm then. . .

C99D529C8006437B8D60653073AAFB7DB (drum roll) - we get all the same nafig all the same, only 1) without falling light for a couple of stops 2) without violence over the MTF lens, as a bonus will be 3) the ability to stop the lens to f32 and then if necessary 4) the possibility to approach even closer 5) native coupling with the camera

the price of the matter is 200 bucks and without any perversions

31.07.2018 13:18:00
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31.07.2018 13:21:00
in fact, macro lenses have a built-in " smooth " extender, according to the laws of a thin lens, it's hard to focus very closely, so for macro lens lenses the focusing distance is usually not even written - everything is there " floats " in the macro zone

all this should be a severe argument to take the simplest, horseradish with it manual macro lens and it will be much better

31.07.2018 13:22:00
..
ie 1: 1 does not hold more
far does not hold, as most (overwhelming) zooms


so for macro lenses min focus distance is usually not even write
write the scale and focal - the rest can be calculated


31.07.2018 13:28:00

if we discard LGTB trends and take a macro lens at 55mm then. . .
(drum roll) - we get all the same nafig all the same, only 1) without falling light on a couple of stops 2) without violence over the MTF lenses,

Of course, and I still use makrushniki. But this does not negate the fact that 24-70 with rings removes the macro and " we get all the same nafig all the same " true with a noticeable haemorrhoids. This is exactly what I wrote at once " Completely removed, and even the result will be comparable, the current of the haemorrhoids will be even larger " and with what you began to argue.
 

31.07.2018 13:30:00

far is not enough, to

I there with a 36mm extensor counted. . . at 70mm close enough to 1: 1 (if it's a treasured digit)

but there is more religious - " purpose \ means "

AF-S set of rings is worth as much as yuzaniya Tamron 90 - whether or not to make a fuss


calculate

simple ruler to measure honestly, honestly!


you began to argue.

pyschschsch. . . . tubes twist to zoom lens for macro - heresy! HERESY! !! !!

I will stay on my own


31.07.2018 13:56:00
Andrew Brusentsev
Macro can also be different: it is one thing to remove a ring with a diamond, and quite another to remove the feeding dishes in the restaurant.
You confuse the macro and the subject (subject survey). Macro is when the size of the image on the matrix is ​​comparable to the size of the object. That is, one cherry, a small grape can be removed in a macro, a teaspoon with a cake, finally. A dish entirely on the macro does not pull. If only you do not have a 4x5 film format " or more.

31.07.2018 13:56:00

AF-S set of rings is worth as much as yuzaniya Tamron 90 - whether or not to make a fuss

pyschschsch. . . . tubes twist to zoom lens for macro - heresy! HERESY! !! !!
usual crutches, probably, someone likes. . .

31.07.2018 14:36:00

Worldwide, the prestige and profitability of the photographer's profession fell below the plinth.
Together with the business of traditional media - on the one hand, and the massive use of smartphones - on the other.
Photostocks with Chinese and Hindus, ready to work for pennies and very high quality, completed the case.

Or does the UK have any differences from world trends?
Someone from the gullible youth still wants to become a photographer-reporter for example?
Or open in the outback of the UK shop?
Photography as a business - what does it bring to the average professional photographer in the English outback?

31.07.2018 14:50:00

Photography as a business - what does it bring to the average professional photographer in the English outback? In GB decided for permanent residence? EE5EE6C08C34ECCA00AEF01365110E2

31.07.2018 18:21:00

Worldwide, the prestige and profitability of the photographer's profession fell below the plinth.
Together with the traditional media business - on the one hand, and the massive use of smartphones - on the other.
Photostocks with Chinese and Hindus, ready to work for pennies and very high quality, completed the case.

Or does the UK have any differences from world trends?
Do some of the tad youth still want to become a photographer-reporter for example?
Or open in the outback of the UK shop?
Photography as a business - what does it bring to the average professional photographer in the English outback?


pysch pysch pysch!

What are the rear photo frames, if you need to photograph an event or location shooting?


Or does the UK have any differences from the world trends? There are differences from Rostov everywhere!

What is a jerky youth?

I personally know a few full-time photographers who are engaged only in a photograph from a dedicated photo beybikov finishing sports activities, they have no other work

even banal wedding photographers without a second (base) work a dime a dozen

as if the name itself made it possible and one wedding a month to take off and make a monthly salary. . (I'm even a bit too lazy to call the numbers)

Photography as a business - what does it bring to the average professional photographer in the English outback? What is your favorite occupation?

- she brings pleasure. . .

31.07.2018 18:41:00
What is your favorite occupation? - she brings pleasure. . .

31.07.2018 20:02:00

Well, you yourself did not work as a photographer, there are no close friends from this sphere - and look at this profession through rose-colored glasses.
Which " favorite business " in thousands of photo objects, monotonous wedding faces, reporting on another boring business event or the boring game - a routine routine, as in hundreds of other professions.

I specifically asked you about the income of photographers compared to people of other professions - I suspect that the average figures there are sad and less than those of taxi drivers.

31.07.2018 20:46:00

Well you the photos themselves were not working

lol, I earn, I have a wife full-time photographer

I specifically asked you about photographers income compared to people of other professions - I suspect that the average figures there sad and less than taxi drivers.

Okay. . . in Rostov that-whether? everything is ok, it is salary, if engaged, certainly more than in the bank some office plankton sit on 43m floor overlooking the toilet

full-time photographer can buy a house, car as well as it should

and if you're on in fact, a good photographer with a name and take £ 2500 for every wedding and you do not have days off from April to September - there are generally serious money that does not shine even to the current IT people.

https://www.history.com/ glassdoor. co. uk / Salaries / london-photogra ... IM1035_KO7, 19. htm

even taking into account part-time fotgrafov average of about £ 30k - professionals, of course, many times more prepared, but then most of Extension mean photo-activity

average cost photographing the same wedding almost £ 1. 5k - taking into account the self empleyed / vat not registered is considered to be clean in your pocket

I do not know, I suppose in Rostov from $ 3-5k salaries noses twist?



monotonous wedding rozhah,

well, as you do with such mood elephant sell? (C) anecdote about an elephant

Photo very creative area, whether predmetka or reportazhka

then no ceiling, you are your own limit - constant experiments with light, poses, sometimes, processing

in any field and the need to love their business, to become a professional

not want to see these fellows like you one commando

31.07.2018 20:47:00

for pennies and very high quality
for rupees and yuan not so. . .

31.07.2018 21:10:00

full-time photographer can buy a house, a car as it should be
£ 29, 043 / yr this somehow well, it's very sad for London. The house there just will not fit.

31.07.2018 22:34:00
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£ 29, 043 / yr this somehow well, it's very sad for London. The house there just will not fit.
You, as always very selectively read and quote.

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At that time, you still did not dososchinyal.
it just does not occur to you that events have a time scale. The canonist while continues to shoot simultaneously on Fuji and Canon.

31.07.2018 22:47:00

Humanitarian what?
I asked about the average income figures, but got an artistic story about nothing.
" With the " - Not interesting, there are fifty of them on all your islands.

I still think the average taxi driver in GB earns much more than the average photographer.
" Office plankton " in the investment bank in the City - an order of magnitude more and TP.
Just a relatively high average standard of living, and even the very poor and problematic professions today - such as professional photographers - do not go to GB for transitions.

31.07.2018 23:09:00

You are as always very selectively reading and quoting.
And how correctly to quote the dial on this https: // www. glassdoor. co. uk / Salaries / london-photogra ... IM1035_KO7, 19. htm link?
The average salary for a Photographer is £ 29, 043 in London, UK is not correct?

it just does not occur to you that events have a time scale.
It occurs to me that people are divided into sensible and not very intelligent people. The opinion of the former has weight, and the second does not. I'm glad that in your stories the explanatory and the kenonist are synonyms.
Maybe when and buy a normal camera instead of any strange shit.

31.07.2018 23:15:00
In kenrokvel there was an article about the salaries of photographers and about this profession in general. Lovers should discuss first the article that.

31.07.2018 23:25:00

And in this thread there are people who have lived and continue to live in England for many years


In England, in fact, the poor are more than enough.


No, you wrote about the fact that the top photographers get more. And for 30 pieces a year you can buy housing, not in the center of London of course


01.08.2018 2:09:00

£ 29, 043 / yr this somehow well, it's very sad for London.

Where is the wood from? or do you think the cashier in Lloyds gets at least a pound more? OMFG.


The house there does not exactly fit.

a house in London does not fit in and for an intricate SAP specialist with a salary of £ 100k - it's unclear where you are drawn, or in the MSC an office plankton within Sadovoi can easily take a hut? just - I do not know anything about Rostov - I've never even been. . .



The average taxi driver in GB earns much more than the average photographer.

lol.
Taxi Driver Salary. The average pay for a Taxi Driver is £ 17, 992 per year. People in this job generally don " t have more than 20 years " experience.
(C) ONS


" Office plankton " in the investment bank in the City

my Rostov friend! Do you understand what an investment bank in the city is? or just blurt out? Just a fairly high average standard of living, and even the very poor and problematic professions today - such as professional photographers - do not go to GB for transitions.


The humanities, what? (C)

I did not understand what you mean. . . guglany garandian articles about " generation rent " - you are generally divorced from local reality and prices in order to put forward similar theses.

p. I apologize to the crowd - like we have a photo-branch, just in case, I'll shout " sony - shit! "


In England, in fact, the poor are more than enough.

here at fat chavs layer which in general on all of us% amb

but they and goals in life is not, and alhocol affordable, and housing Kangxi help

but people who take themselves in hand, usually something reach

The current flat rate for non-professional hired labor at £ 175 / day (+ \ - by region) suggests the desire to work rolling into real amounts of money

and it's still not hours something professional, not custom made

hard as with an attitude to life with - " shaff! cleaned up " , but the hands and brains are everywhere valuable fur.


The house there does not exactly fit in.

but the Kansilov apartment in a 30-story betok in style " grenfel tower " with a discount rent of 300f \ month - quite. . . third of London lives like this. . . and not steamed


01.08.2018 7:40:00


Was not in Rostov? Come on, then!
Though you look at the white faces of passers-by - you will rest from the London bottom.
Do not be afraid, we have bears in the city only on leashes walk, and tourists do not touch.

01.08.2018 7:56:00

300f \ month
squalid worms

01.08.2018 7:58:00

a house in London does not fit in and for an intricate SAP specialist with a salary under £ 100k - it's unclear where you are drawn, or in the MSC an office plankton within Sadovoi can easily take a hut?
We are here all the less simple. The average qualified specialist is ~ 50K euro per year, more skilled ~ 70K, even more tops. Practically independently of the field of activity. Photographers until 2010 were quite fit, now they have stopped. A good photographer now earns on average much less than an employee of an auto service, a programmer or a landscape designer. And yes, an average specialist without any problems takes a house. Not even really straining.

01.08.2018 8:03:00
And yes, a middle-class specialist takes a house without problems. Not even really straining.
not within the garden and even the third. . .

01.08.2018 8:06:00

No, you wrote about the fact that top photographers receive more.
And what? A mathematician in the Eppleovsky district in England, too, is richer than you would be about an order of magnitude. This does not mean that mathematics is well paid.


not within the garden and even the third. . .
And we do not even have a second one. Nowhere.


01.08.2018 8:32:00

And we do not even have a second one. Nowhere. Poor people, even garden rings
 

01.08.2018 9:11:00
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We are here all more or less less simple.
In this, the whole of Alex-instead of recognizing " about the UK do not know anything, I wrote nonsense " , immediately changed the subject to a mythical " we " . This is generally where, " you " ? -) on which continent at least


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