FOWON v. BAYER Foveon vs Bayer (It was: Detailing the images of FOWONE against BAYER) (part 5)

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06.07.2018 14:09:00
(This is a continuation of the previous topic)
 

06.07.2018 14:09:00

And if you divide into three layers?
They are some kind of plastic, do not exfoliate

06.07.2018 14:22:00
about, the next volume, but as if there was nothing. start over again. . .

06.07.2018 14:27:00

is not a matter of soap even, you can simply look at the distinguishable details, who has more - the one and the champion.
It remains only to determine where the parts are, and where the artifacts and what is the permissible error in the details of the position and magnitude of the signal. And Kotel'nikov's theorem has long shown the boundary, after which to guarantee that this detail is no longer possible.
Just in case, I remind you that the boundary of true resolution by the Kotel'nikov theorem is 2 times lower than the spatial frequency of the discretization of the matrix, that is, it can not be higher, lower - please. In translation into Russian, the matrix 16Mp can transfer details of 4Md, the rest - the grandmother in two said. And when on the test 10 pairs of lines a ladder appears suddenly, this means that the lines that were actually black have become white in the picture and vice versa. Despite the fact that their number remained the same, they turned into a negative, that is, into a pure artifact. The beginning of this ladder is the end of the permit, but not the disappearance of the lines.

Even better - the same lens.
this is if the matrices are the same size, I compared with ff, and took just good fixes both there and there. ready even to give a head start, put 18-35 zoom on the background. all the comparisons were at 8. 0, there and a good zoom will cut enough to break the Bayer

After giving away, without wanting it, Canopus, everything else is no longer interesting. Did you watch the pictures I showed? This is not all, he riveted much more. . .
Although, if you give raws from a tripod and not through the glass, and on the same crochet 1, 5, and on the same lens, on the gauge and on the 20-24Mp bayer, then why not? Experience will be even more correct.
True, I do not want to load spp again, it's you who lead, it's better in tiff, but you can also in jpeg. And I'll bring the buyer, so be it, to the yardstick. Although it would be fair to measure a Buyer, are you ready? So that there would be no talk that I had something especially worsened. . . And then I myself can lead in any direction. . .

06.07.2018 16:14:00

It remains only to determine where the parts are, and where the artifacts and what is the permissible error in the details of the position and magnitude of the signal.
yes it did not have to - all seen through the eyes of

After that issued it, unwittingly, Canopus, everything else is not interesting.
everyone has their own favorites. it's hard for me to perceive the canopy especially as I have enough of my park and even a yard for tests.

If you give raw from a tripod and not through the glass
not, I will not. why the day glass and tripods? endurance there is sufficient.

and on the same lens, on the gauge and on the 20-24M pusher, then why not?
I do not have a transition to a sigmov bayonet with a Nikon (maybe it's not in nature either), it also seems there is no 24MP on the crope (also not necessary). I have a PM1 24MP with an AA filter - in the pros it's Ceylon fix 35/2, generally recognized as good (after past tests it was recognized as crooked by those who were not happy with the window glass hypothesis). in the test also participated cf 40Mp, which all and broke, but it was clear that he did not go very far against the background of the measure. must be, already in that test I used 18-35, which, for me, when shaking begins to normally fight fixes. . .

in the previous test participated a7P without an AA filter 36Mp. but I have it now is not here.
in general there is a lot of things, I'm ready to play a new test, only the conditions must be selected. Crops are on 16Mp (Fudge and Nikon) - but I'm bored with them to measure against, salt right away. . . .


Although it would be fair to measure a Buyer, are you ready?
can be cited, you can look at it the most important - the details are visible or not. . .


06.07.2018 16:32:00

can be cited, you can look that way, the main thing is that the details are visible or not. .

This is true, but not everyone can easily separate the artifacts from the parts. In addition, leading to a single solution, we get rid of the need to evaluate the details among varying degrees of microcontrast, which at different scales is inevitable.
As for the technology, 16Mp is not enough, because they are probably with an AA-filter. Although to complete the picture as a makeweight will go. And if everything goes to 12 Mp, then it's still not known who will be lucky. . .
In short, think in the evening.

06.07.2018 17:42:00

In addition, resulting in a single resolution, we get rid of the need to evaluate the details among varying degrees of microcontrast, which at different scales is inevitable.
And leading to a single resolution - we may lose detail if downsample. Or to fill artifacts in the ensemble.
Meanwhile, as on the beach photos, you can see that the 24MP details are stupid, just because of the difference in resolution. A merill - does not jump.
There is still a moment that affects the detailing - if you shoot through the haze or other atmospheric blur - the difference can not be obtained.

06.07.2018 19:30:00

As for the technology, 16Mp is not enough, because they are probably with an AA-filter. Although for completeness of the picture as a makeweight will go
will not go, because Meryl makes 24MP on ff, we must proceed from this. . .

06.07.2018 21:50:00
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As for the technology, 16Mp is not enough, because they are probably with an AA-filter. Although for completeness of the picture as a makeweight will go
will not go, because Meryl does 24 MPS on FF, we must proceed from this. . .
And here we have Nikon Kroop on 24Mp with a whale doing a measurement in one gate. Therefore, I'm sure that my Samsung on 20Mp, if you stand with him in the same place with Sigma-meril, at best will be level with the yardstick, and most likely, too, will bend the measure. However, I showed him pictures, but they have a drawback: they are never pair.


And, leading to a single resolution - we may lose detail if downsample. Or to fill artifacts in the ensemble.
Naturally, with the resize of 24-14, 7 parts are lost, this is clear to the cat, but even in this case the measure does not have a chance, that's the problem.
And when the artifacts are up, they will stick like an awl from a sack, they can easily be recognized. Leaves of alder from the nettle somehow distinguish. . .


07.07.2018 0:38:00

Therefore, I'm sure that my Samsung is 20Mp, if you stand with it in one place
with faith - this is in another forum. .

07.07.2018 9:40:00
With faith - this is in another forum. . Confidence and faith have one root, but a different meaning.
How can I screw up that 24Mp FF is worse than 14, 7Mp, I do not know, but the 24Mp crochet clearly showed who is khu. . .
Have you at least watched what I showed?
ttp: // forum. ixbt. com / topic. cgi? id = 20: 31788: 10040 # 10040

07.07.2018 9:57:00

How can I screw up that the 24Mp FF is worse than the 14, 7Mp resolution, I do not know
I will explain: the 15Mp measure is obtained from 45, so the actual resolution is much higher than the 15Mp buyer.
Did you at least watch what I showed?
I do not need to look at the port. I here twice compared myself, with different cameras, the results were all seen, the results were similar: the measure under 30Mp of Bayer's resolution. . .

07.07.2018 19:16:00

I will explain: the 15Mp measure is obtained from 45, so the actual resolution is significantly higher than the 15Mp buyer.

Nothing is measured from 15Mp above 15Mp does not work, and those 45 are located in a stack and increase the resolution beyond 15Mp can not by the principle of action. As adults seem to be reasonable people come across this marketing nonsense - that's the question.

I do not need to look at the port. . . . I like to port myself. . . Yes?

At least the images through the glass that you showed I would have trusted the permission last. And I have on this occasion serious arguments against, especially when comparing FF and kropa.

Seriously, what is there in Kanopus naportcheno, in a dozen pairs of pictures at different times in different places? At least, I compared with what I was given and did not see nowhere the slightest advantage of the measure in front of the 24Mb buyer, which completely agrees with the theory, which, in its turn, has not yet been refuted. . .

in the measure below the 30Mp Bayer resolution. . .

He does not have this permission and will never be. Or do you call a resolution something else.

07.07.2018 19:53:00
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And if you divide into three layers?
They are some kind of plastic, do not exfoliate
Is this the ticket joke ticket?

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it if the matrix of the same size, I compared the FF, and took a good fixes and there and there. ready even to give a head start, put 18-35 zoom on the background. all the comparisons were at 8. 0, there and a good zoom will cut enough to break the Bayera

After giving away, without wanting it, Canopus, everything else is no longer interesting. Did you watch the pictures I showed? This is not all, he riveted much more. . .
Although, if you give raws from a tripod and not through the glass, and on the same crochet 1, 5, and on the same lens, on the gauge and on the 20-24Mp bayer, then why not? Experience will be even more correct. \
Alexander delirium)), thinks piled Sharpe, sprinkled with sliced ​​square-breeding plots and he was a magician and sorcerer)) baerschik I myself experienced 25 years , so how do I know which and where. The place of the bayer in the dispute with the foveon for the details is the first, but from the end!

07.07.2018 19:58:00

Is this the ticket joke ticket?
What do you mean? Ordinary 100 rubles of the Bank of Russia. Do you have any others?

07.07.2018 19:58:00
and the colors are not all good. There is not something, no. . It seems like, but something is wrong. But with foveona you can get a delicious, when you like everything, but sometimes you need edits, se la vi!

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Is this the ticket for a joke?
In what sense? Ordinary 100 rubles of the Bank of Russia. Do you have any others?
Have not seen these yet. . Only 200 new and 2000. But I do not like the trend. Vertical 360 degrees))

07.07.2018 21:08:00

get the yummy when you like everything
You like hunting.

07.07.2018 21:55:00
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get snacks when things like
you like and hunting.
Yes, I like a lot of And you've been hanging on to the Hunt. By the way, it's a normal beer. Not worse than others. And this and that urine is a donkey)). There is no delicious beer, sometimes it seems delicious

08.07.2018 5:36:00

And I have serious arguments against this, especially when comparing FF and crope.
bolder, do not keep the main thing in yourself, it's better than bullshit

08.07.2018 8:17:00

I myself am a bailor with years of experience 25
You drive.
And the pictures every year are worse.

08.07.2018 8:50:00
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baerschik I myself experienced 25 years
persecuting.
And the pictures every year are worse.
My pictures are so so. I know. But a lot and good. Unlike you. Although I'm not at all inclined to discuss this. I like it - I do not like the matter purely personal. I like and I spread only what I like. And temporary I delete.

08.07.2018 9:06:00
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08.07.2018 9:17:00

which puts FF in an unequal position. Yes, ff has a big advantage. on it and was taken to the unconditional odds

And through a window pane influence
but through lack of brains?

08.07.2018 9:17:00

I myself am a bailor with years of experience 25
Bayer does not live that much yet. . . Just 15 years ago in our country there were digital cameras, at sky-high prices and with a resolution of 2-3Mp, while top-end DSLRs at the time were 1.55 (one and a half) Mp and the owners shouted that more and not the rest is marketing. . .

08.07.2018 9:21:00

Suggest that you have it there from the options
I have 3 dpM, the mirror is on the gauge with 18-35, 8-16, fisheye, 50mm, 85.. . ideally compare 18-35 to 23. 5mm and Rx1 (24mp). there is a canon 5d2 with a bunch of optics, 2 watering m9 - color and bb. 40MP pentax sf. . . 16MP crochet nikon and fudzh, d600 and a7p lie in another place, I can take in a couple of weeks. .

08.07.2018 9:22:00
Yes, ff has a big advantage. from that it was taken, for unconditional handicap. Do you continue to turn icky or do not really understand that FF problems that put him in an awkward position are much more than is commonly believed?

And through a window pane influence
but through lack of brains?

Third time will be the last.
 

08.07.2018 9:45:00

and the owners of the chorus shouted that there was more and no need for this.

08.07.2018 10:44:00
Correctly, give me a mastiff!


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​​Yes, it's pointless to compare). When you understand this and calm down already. Obviously everything. Merril in full size looks better, more detailed. Bayer is simpler, but the picture from it is always soapy and dense. Mosaics and demosics do not correct the situation.
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​​I no longer worry about this, but take the best from all systems.

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​​ baerschik I myself experienced 25 years
​​Bayer as yet does not live. . .
​​Just 15 years ago, digital cameras appeared in our country, at sky-high prices and at a resolution of 2-3Mp, while top-end DSLRs at that time were 1.55 (one and a half) Mp and the owners shouted that more and not the rest is marketing. . .
I count from the film. I had to remember Vilia. . . Then Kodak, Olympus, Panasonic, Sonya, Kenon, Sigma, Nikon and again Olympus. Only Fuji I did not have. Somehow I did not like. . .

08.07.2018 11:21:00

I find from the film . & amp; I myself pawnshop with years of experience 25

08.07.2018 13:40:00

Are you still yanking or do you really not understand that FF's problems that put him in an embarrassing position are much more than is commonly believed?
put yourself in an awkward position when you pore such.

The third time will be the last.
The banyus is very, almost the same as taking pictures through the glass.

08.07.2018 21:24:00
So, another pair picture. A panoramic view of the window. In my opinion, it is very interesting, because there are a lot of things in the frame. This is a CCD-shny camera jeep with Olympus SP800UZ In my opinion super trumpet color!

Now perekinu and manifest Sigma Merrill


08.07.2018 21:27:00

I have 3 dpM, the mirror is on the gauge with 18-35, 8-16, fisheye, 50mm, 85.. . ideally compare 18-35 to 23. 5mm and Rx1 (24mp). there is a canon 5d2 with a bunch of optics, 2 watering m9 - color and bb. 40MP pentax sf. . . 16MP crochet nikon and fudzh, d600 and a7p lie in another place, I can take in a couple of weeks. .
From all this zoo for direct comparison are suitable with a stretch of the crumb of 16Mp unless. . . The rest only with recalculations, which are easy to get confused.

08.07.2018 21:50:00
Sigma



08.07.2018 21:55:00

From all this zoo for direct comparison, they are suitable with a stretch of the 16Mp crop unless. . . The rest only with recalculations, which are easy to get confused.
Well, this is someone with arithmetic trouble, except that. 16 just does not fit, because the resolution is not enough. suitable 24Mp ff

08.07.2018 21:57:00
Well, study)) This is Sigma, brothers)) Here you can pogramglyadivat. . .

pancake. . . . I myself watch and freeze. . Sigma is power! !! !!


09.07.2018 7:42:00

Here you can see. . .
And what is there to look at?
Dirty asphalt, newly built, " soap " horizon?

09.07.2018 11:18:00
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Here you can see. . .
And what is there to look at?
Dirty asphalt, newly built, " soap " horizon?
detailing of dirty asphalt, new construction, horizon. It turned out very accurately. I'm glad that Sigma did not lie very much in colors. Edit the minimums. And I like Olik more and more! As I will be free and the sun will fly to one picturesque place, I shoot!

09.07.2018 11:38:00

dirty asphalt detailing, new construction
Consider? For what purpose? A horizon is soapy. I did not get to GRIP.

I'll ride into one picturesque place, I'll take pictures! Did the patio cease to be picturesque?

09.07.2018 11:48:00
Did the patio cease to be picturesque?
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In stock even more picturesque patio .

09.07.2018 12:01:00

There is even more picturesque patio in reserve
There are more waste in the garbage dumps, which attracts more caterpillar cats?

09.07.2018 12:52:00

In stock even more picturesque patio.
this is mine

09.07.2018 12:59:00
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There is an even more picturesque patio in reserve. I have
" Picturesque patios " under the nose of the canopy live http: // ixbt. photo /? id = photo: 142872 .
And the canopy rests.

There is an entrance fee.
P. S. Although not a courtyard, but http: // ixbt. photo /? id = photo: 123775
The magic of the place.

09.07.2018 14:14:00
miser

09.07.2018 15:28:00

This is all one to one.

09.07.2018 21:40:00
Is it also possible to throw the buyer's soap here without processing, specially for this topic, removed without composition, without meaning, without a plot and without artistic value.
http: // ixbt. photo /? id = photo: 1235152 resize in 14, 7 mp http: // ixbt. photo /? id = photo: 1235192

09.07.2018 22:58:00

Also, it's not possible to throw the buyer's soap here without processing, specially for this topic, without composition, without sense, without a plot and without artistic value.
Atmospheric conditions do not allow to assess the situation.

11.07.2018 13:21:00
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owners chorus shouting that more and not have
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11.07.2018 13:26:00

- on that iron it was a burden.
It's not about the hardware. A man used to work. And then you need to retrain.
Have you ever worked in DOS?

11.07.2018 22:40:00
a little bit, through the wolf
 

11.07.2018 22:43:00

VC where does it happen?
DOS it is in Africa DOS.
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