How to convert from NEF? Probemy with loss of quality when converting.

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14.12.2014 15:19:00
They gave me a flash drive with pictures in the format NEF, shot Nikon D90, the average weight of the frame about 10 Mb.

I installed ASDee 6 Pro, which I check the photo data. However, when converting this program from NEF to JPEG, there was a slight decline in the quality of photos, sharpness and fine details may contrast as photos become a little darker.

assume that this is a problem in the program ASDSee 6 Pro. Download software Fotoconverter. But converted her photos, see roughly the same quality deterioration, and, if the weight of the converted image when converted to ASDsee 6 Pro about 3 MB, then the weight of the same frame, the converted Fotoconverter-th is only 1MB, which looks at all strange, and is considered unacceptable.

Why do I need to convert? Need to post pictures on photo sharing, and there, as far as I know there are weight restrictions gallery. Yes, and I want to reduce the weight of pictures that they have not been loaded.

That is, you want to have as a result of the weight of pictures about 500MB.

I understand correctly, it can be done only after converting NEF in a more compact format, such as JPEG? What better to convert to JPEG or other format, in terms of quality?

Then - I will need to compress pictures to a size of about 600x800, that is normal size for placing photos on the forums. Question - reduce the size you need after the conversion or to conversion, when the format more NEF? (In terms of picture quality.)

example of two photos in attachments. The second file - the original photos in NEF, the first file - Convert program ASDSee 6 Pro

Sorry - still can not put pictures. . . How to put a full-fledged photo here?
 

14.12.2014 15:25:00

you need not convert and resize (downsampling), and even compression. Both processes are inevitably associated with a strong deterioration. Thus it is better to use the original Nikon converter, which is free download from the office site.

14.12.2014 15:33:00
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you need not convert and resize (downsampling), and even compression. Both processes are inevitably associated with a strong deterioration. Thus it is better to use the original Nikon converter, which is free download from the office site.
So you're saying that only resize and thus remains format NEF? A NEF files can be uploaded to the hosting in general?

As for compression after resizing. . . In the case when I do resize in ASDSee 6 Pro file format with JPEG, weight gallery (800x600) is even small to 200Mb.

While I like the weight of the order of 500MB at a rate of 600h900. Thus after resizing pictures having a format JPEG, need not compress further. And in case resize pictures with the format NEF, how much weight is obtained from the gallery with Ramer 600x800?

What is original nikonsky converter free, downloadable ofsayta? Capture it 2?
But I downloaded, and then asked to buy a program, please give RECALLING free. . .

14.12.2014 15:54:00

want to say that only resize. . . ?
course not. But the essence of your conversion - resize and compress, convert, in this case only the necessary co-factor. In the converter specify the desired image size and compression.

14.12.2014 19:39:00
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http: // www. photoconverter. ru / help / tutorials / convert_nef. html

I tried this program. She also like ASDsee 6 degrade the quality of pictures. And the weight of the file after converting this prog to 1 MB (think it's a little), and after converting ASDsee weight 3MB, it seems to me normal.

14.12.2014 19:47:00
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weight gallery (800x600) is even low, to 200 kHz.

While I like the weight of the order of 500MB.

"Weight", measured in the range of "200 kHz" to "500MB" - it's cool .

14.12.2014 19:53:00
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as ASDsee 6 worsened quality of photos.
worsened: 1. Compared to what? NEF is the raw material, with its dzhpegom generally incorrect to compare.
2. What is worse? When converting, you can arbitrarily set the desired options - contrast, mikrokontrast, Sharp, noise reduction, color, almost everything. How can worsen? If no compression without resizing, no deterioration should not be, except for the fact that you are spoiled (again, compared to what? With sewn in Ro thumbnails?)

14.12.2014 20:00:00
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She also like ASDsee 6 degrade the quality of pictures.
worsened: 1. Compared to what? NEF is the raw material, with its dzhpegom generally incorrect to compare.
2. What is worse? When converting, you can arbitrarily set the desired options - contrast, mikrokontrast, Sharp, noise reduction, color, almost everything. How can worsen? If no compression without resizing, no deterioration should not be, except for the fact that you are spoiled (again, compared to what? With sewn in Ro thumbnails?)
I would like to put 2 files, for comparison, but I do not know how to do it. Trying to invest in the "investments" And on the NEF website says something like that too much, and converted to JPEG kind of takes, but then I do not see it when editing in post.

Tell me, please, where and how to place the two files for comparison.

deteriorated sharpness of fine details, foty become darker (some). About the

to put parameters on the conversion. in ASDSee 6 I just clicked "save as" offers to save to JPEG, I clicked save and everything. Then tried to pre-add sharpness and clarity - nothing helps.

14.12.2014 20:10:00

deteriorated sharpness of fine details,
Clarity (Sharpe, mikrokontrast, noise reduction), you ask yourself when you convert
foty become darker (
it too you ask
Again, compared to what?? NEF is not a photo, it data set is obtained only after the photo conversion. If you look in the ASDsee, it converts itself first, and then shows. After that you intentionally degrades the photo and want it to get worse?
To get started, use a program that is designed to convert (you have given links) rather than viewer, who converted - secondary function.
Photos can be put here http: // fotkidepo. ru /, and the nave put on file sharing and provide a link to it here.

14.12.2014 20:28:00
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"Compared to what?? NEF is not a photo, a set of data, photos obtained only after the conversion. If you look in the ASDsee, it converts itself first, and then shows. After that you intentionally degrades the photo and you want that it does not become worse? "

== obtained compared to the pictures that shows ASDSee NEF file and pictures showing it, after saving a file in JPEG.

And in what sense I intentionally degrades the photo? After all, I had only convert and compress, not resize.

try to put and try the recommended bend.

14.12.2014 20:37:00

obtained compared to the picture which shows ASDSee NEF file and pictures showing it, after saving a file in JPEG.
so clear. As already mentioned, ASDSee still first converts (to have something to show). Most likely retains other settings, or in another space, another profile (do not know what she gets up there by default).
try to put and try the recommended bend.
right, try to start with a good quality to convert, and then resizes and will reap.

20.12.2014 0:38:00
Please tell me at what point in the program to increase the sharpness of Capture NX-D?

So I can first reduce the size to 800x600 when converting to JPEG, and then again to open the image, and sharpen Intensity to 30.

The second option: I can first sharpen Intensity to 30. And then convert the size decreases up to 800x600. In no event will the image quality?

I ask because I used to reduced the size of the program ASDSee 6, and it was an opportunity to sharpen both before and after resizing it. As I understand it, you need to sharpen after resizing, which I did. And in the case of Capture NX-D how to do?

I understand that by decreasing the size, sharpness falls, and it is desirable to increase. I read different authors and see the recommended values ​​from 30 to 40. For example, in ASDSee 6 is the default value of 30.

Actually, I ASDSee 6 Pro like more. She is familiar to me, more comfortable and there is an opportunity to change not only the sharpness, but also more transparency and a number of parameters, which I do not see in Capture NX-D. But ASDSee 6 I do not understand how to value the quality it does resize? I do not see there is the possibility of selecting the value of compression quality when resizing, as it can be selected in Capture NX-D.

Tell me please, is there a ASDSee 6 Pro is the ability to choose the most quality in compression? I want to put it to 80 or 100%.

By default ASDSee 6 PRO weight photo size of 800x600 I get an average of 150-250 kb, while the weight when resize photos to the same size in Capture NX-D can be varied to about 500 KB (percentage choosing quality) . It seems to me preferable to obtain the highest possible quality of compressed images.
Do the same opportunity - to change the value of the level of quality and ASDSee 6 PRO. if there is, I have it and would continue to apply and to process NEF images.

Another question - as in Capture NX-D standard to compress and convert a lot of pictures? That is, with the same level of quality settings compression size?

And in what section Framing mode?

20.12.2014 5:11:00

Kindly learn to place the original NEF and the result of your "developer" on the file exchangers, and then place the link to download, then get options to choose how to do better.

21.12.2014 13:47:00
I'm working on this difficult issue - placed on fayloobmenikah.

Do the same opportunity - to change the value of the level of quality (and hence the weight of the file) with a decrease in the size ASDSee 6 PRO?

I can not find on the menu wherever it chooses, tell me, please, who knows.

21.12.2014 14:45:00

on this complex issue

As I have an account (or mail) to the mail. py, I use cloud service project (Cloud Mile Roux).
's simple. The content of a folder on my local computer automatically in the background (if available online) is copied (synchronized) somewhere in there (no matter where physically) and can, if necessary, to provide links to these copies to other users online. A similar service, there are other providers of postal services.

reduce the file size can be different actions
- cutting is not desired (like scissors)
- reduction of the original size in pixels
- reduction while maintaining quality (encoding) in dzhipeg
last two are often made at the same time, refer to the batch processing, I think there may

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21.12.2014 15:11:00
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Indeed, if you click on the batch mode. there you can change the quality (the default is 90%), but I would find such an opportunity in single frame mode.

may default in single mode, it is also worth 90%. But I do not see it. I do not understand where to see. Somehow, the weight of pictures obtained less than about 2 and a half-times than similarly resayzirovannogo and converting program Capture NX-D.

I need to know that I squeeze (when resizing) in the highest quality. It is possible to increase the weight of the file size of 800x600 pixels and 200 KB (on average) up to 400Kb (on average) suits me.

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reduce the file size can be different actions
- cutting is not desired (like scissors)
- reduction of the original size in pixels
- reduction while maintaining quality (encoding) in dzhipeg
Mean reducing the size in pixels, plus conversion to JPEG, all with minimal loss of quality. Weight file organichivaetsya not result.

Although the need to reduce the size in pixels for posting on the web pages, it is a moot point. The fact is that I notice that if you create two files in the program Capture-NX-D:

1. A typical format for web pages 800x600 at maximum quality.
2 option. Reserve size unchanged 4000h3000. In this case, when converted to JPEG Select the lowest quality (10).

weight of both files is roughly the same. In the area 450-500Kb.

Compare the display. Option 2 is of higher quality in terms of sharpness.

When reducing the size to 800x600 I always had to raise ASDsee 6 photo sharpness reduced to a value of about 30.
But this method of sharpening is artificial. But option 2 allows for field naturally. The program viewer computer automatically limits the size of the photo, the size of the web page of a forum. The truth in this method organize images in forums, this is the photo takes all the permitted location on the screen page. This means that the signature on the photograph beyond the page and is not visible to the reader. The reader has to scroll through a few pages to see the signature under the photo. Which is inconvenient. That's why I reduce the size of the photo. But it falls sharpness of photos and I have to artificially Sharpe him.
 

21.12.2014 16:29:00

I mean reducing the size in pixels, plus conversion to JPEG, all with minimal loss of quality.

It does not happen if the resize to 800x600, then the details in the picture will be much less than that is done.

21.12.2014 17:20:00
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I mean reducing the size in pixels, plus conversion to JPEG, all with minimal loss of quality.

It does not happen if the resize to 800x600, then the details in the picture will be much less than that is done.
In what sense parts will be less? You mean those tiny details that become visible only when viewing a photo in the scale of 1: 1 (ie, when to zoom in and see only a small portion of the image on the screen)?
But I do not need such fine detail, because I guess post photos on the forum (or blog) in the amount of 900h600. And to the extent desired by clicking on the enlarged photo (Ctrl +) there is no possibility - for more information to increase anymore and immediately go cubes. So I need just the highest possible quality photos in 800x600 format. That is a good sharpness of detail, a size that is able to convey the display, ie the order of 1 pixel. And the highest possible quality characteristics of other photos.

PS I understand that the loss when resizing the smallest detail will lead to a decrease in sharpness (and geometry) and larger parts. But still want to use these programs and are their settings to get the best possible quality at this size (900h600)

general size issue is interesting. In the sense that different people have monitors and laptops with different number of pixels. As a result, the size of 900h600 FuulHD photos will occupy only part of the height of the display. And on the laptop and monitors with low resolution, they will occupy the entire screen height (or even go off the screen?).

It turns out that for the owners of monitors FuulHD I would prefer to be displayed photos larger than 900h600.

Can I do that? Or need to write two stories with pictures. One - for viewing on monitors with low resolution and the second monitor FuullHD and warn about this in the beginning of the story? That a person can choose one of two versions of the story with two different sizes of the photos?


21.12.2014 17:45:00

highest possible quality photos in 800x600 format. That is a good sharpness of detail, a size that is able to convey the display, ie the order of 1 pixel. And the highest possible quality characteristics of other photos.
exactly what it says - it is impossible. Because you have a photo resolution is certainly less than modern-resolution displays, no pixel sharpness (especially at high compression) there can not be. The most that can be done - bully contour sharpness (edge), but the quality of the photos from this better not be. The problem itself is formulated incorrectly: "I want to spoil the most photos, but so that it looked as good."
on FuulHD size photographs 900h600 will occupy only part of the height of the display. And on the laptop and monitors with low resolution, they will occupy the entire screen height (or even go off the screen?).
In both cases, they will be opened depending on the zoom in the browser and the screen resolution is not connected.
or doing normal photos, or claims against the poor quality of place.

21.12.2014 18:15:00
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highest possible quality photos in 800x600 format. That is a good sharpness of detail, a size that is able to convey the display, ie the order of 1 pixel. And the highest possible quality characteristics of other photos.
exactly what it says - it is impossible. Because you have a photo resolution is certainly less than modern-resolution displays, no pixel sharpness (especially at high compression) there can not be. The most that can be done - bully contour sharpness (edge), but the quality of the photos from this better not be. The problem itself is formulated incorrectly: "I want to spoil the most photos, but so that it looked as good."
on FuulHD size photographs 900h600 will occupy only part of the height of the display. And on the laptop and monitors with low resolution, they will occupy the entire screen height (or even go off the screen?).
In both cases, they will be opened depending on the zoom in the browser and the screen resolution is not connected.
or doing normal photos, or claims against the poor quality of place.
task set is not "as much as possible to spoil the photo", and the minimum spoil it by decreasing the size and conversion to JPEG.

In what sense do the normal photo? Photos normal again, we are talking about how to reduce the size with minimal loss of quality, making millions. Simply, they penetrated into what prog to use and what parameters to set there while I delved and request this assistance.
What does make normal photo? That is normally resizes them? What should be their normal? Or question in another way that you do to foty were normal? You do not resize them at all? Or maybe resize comes in 2 stages, with sharpeniem at each stage, as suggested in some subjects? I know that there is a manual, "smart" sharpening, with masks and layers. True to learn more neproboval. Or do you mean no resizes and let the size of pictures automatically limited software? That is to spit on that picture takes the full height of the screen, or even become larger than the screen? That is, the reader will have to scroll to see all the photos? (This is described by me above option №2?)

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your photo resolution is certainly less than modern-resolution monitors.
Please explain this sentence. What do you mean by resolution photos and monitor? I wrote about the size of the photo in pixels 900h600. I understand that it would be nice if the picture resizes managed in such a way that you can see the small details as small as 1 pixel. (Of course, this is possible if the uncompressed source was sharp).

If as a result of insufficient quality: resize and change the format, the sharpness of the picture would have fallen so much that would cease to be visible parts by a few pixels, in this case would not have been implemented monitor features, namely its ability to display image with clarity the order of 1 pixel.

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maximum that can be done - bully contour sharpness (edge), but the quality of the photos from this better not be.

This contour sharpness - it is the sharpness that can be increased to 6 ASDSee? Or there selected this sharpness, I do not see the choice is "contour".

21.12.2014 19:05:00

task set is not "as much as possible to spoil the photo", and the minimum damage it
Yes, but compress and resizes just gives a result the maximum damage, the more - the stronger.
what is meant by a resolution of the photo and the monitor?
in photo 900h600, the monitor (standard) 1920x1080. Photography opened in screen size, in any case can not be pixel-sharp apskeyl always razmylivaet. Generally, modern mnogopikselnyh matrix pixel-sharp photo from the outset does not happen.

contour sharpness - it is the sharpness that can be increased to 6 ASDSee
I do not know that there ASDSee, but in some programs Unsharp there as a separate tool. If this tool is not present, in your case you need to Sharpe large radius.

21.12.2014 19:27:00

Can I do that? Or need to write two stories with pictures. One - for viewing on monitors with low resolution and the second monitor FuullHD and warn about this in the beginning of the story? That a person can choose one of two versions of the story with two different sizes of the photos?

Usually these things are done as follows: on the page put a picture of a small size (t. E. Strongly enough shake and low resolution), and if a person is interested in it - it can open its larger version in a separate tab (here the picture is usually 1600-3600 on the long side to choose the photographer).

21.12.2014 19:46:00
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in photo 900h600, the monitor (standard) 1920x1080. Photos, open in screen size , in any case can not be pixel-sharp apskeyl always razmylivaet. Generally, modern mnogopikselnyh matrix pixel-sharp photo from the outset does not happen.
I mean, not a photo open in screen size and picture size 900h600, which spans most of the height (and width) of the web page, but nevertheless, not the entire screen. These are the photos I put in his stories. Usually on one page, I get about 200 ph alternating signatures under fotami and text. The presence of so many phot, causes some time required to load the page, so the weight of each foty desirable to have about 500 kilobytes.

I understand correctly that the photo size 900h600 placed on the size of the webpage offline and does not require scaling software, so quality should not lose extra because scaling? Thus, achieving the highest possible quality photos resayzirovannoy to 900h600 already can not worry about further possible blurring due to scaling, simply because of the scaling will not occur?

Please view my photo story on one of the forums and suggest that maybe I do not consider, and what would I fix it. http: // forum. awd. ru / viewtopic. php? t = 222483
The link - a photo story with fotami 900h600 removed in JPEG, resayzirovannymi in ASDSee 6 PRO, plus after resize, add 15-20 levels sharpening (out of 100) with a radius of 2 in the program ASDSee 6 PRO. (And very rarely 30 levels of sharpening). In the photographs of the waterfall (where rainbow) was maximized "transparency", as the source code was dense fog.

21.12.2014 19:55:00

achieving the highest possible quality photos resayzirovannoy to 900h600 already can not survive
Yes, because the rest does not depend on you. Take in the converter with increasing local contrast and Sharpe large radius, when converting specify the desired size (900h600), the profile of sRGB. Do not forget about denoising (within reason), it is the weight of the image (in megabytes) decreases.
looked at your photo story - everything is normal there, the problem is exaggerated, perhaps some could be mikrokontrast raise.

21.12.2014 19:57:00
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Usually these things are done as follows: on the page put a picture of a small size (t. E. Strongly enough shake and low resolution), and if a person is interested in it - it can open its larger version in a separate tab (here the picture is usually 1600-3600 on the long side to choose the photographer).
And what ph storage, allow to do so? In addition to Mr. radical. There's sort of advertising and pictures sometimes disappear.

And how can we make the size on the internt page is not small thumbnails and 900h600, and to Fota increased even more?

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do in the converter with increasing local contrast and Sharpe large radius, when converting specify the desired size (900h600), the profile of sRGB. Do not forget about denoising (within reason). . .
some could be mikrokontrast raise.
Sharpe with a large radius to do to resize and convert or after? In

source http: // www. cambridgeincolour. com / ru / photo-editing-tutorials. htm advised to sharpen conversion and resayzirovaniya (this payment blur and lens array), and then after resize, again (Compensation for loss of sharpness when resizing) And this time minimum radius. "To zoom radius unsharp mask 0. 2-0. 3 and the degree of 200-400% will work almost anywhere. With such a small radius, there is little reason to worry about the appearance of a halo, but if you choose the degree of sharpness is excessive, can appear other problems, such as jaggies or pixelation and moiré. "

noise reduction and recommends to do to sharpen.

I understand correctly, what I need to do so? :
1. Noise
2. Sharpen c large radius (about how great it? Pick up on the eye? In the same source http: // www. Cambridgeincolour. Com / ru / tutorials / local- ... t-enhancement. Htm gbien hflbec 30-100 pixels, the more detailed the image, the radius is greater than...)
3. Resize with kovertatsiey from NEF to JPEG
4. Once the program to open the file and make the sharpening with a minimum radius? Which will compensate for the deterioration of sharpness due to resizing. There is a view
processing software Capture NX-D, because the Capture NX-2 where to get, I do not know. There will need to be able to "cure" those versions that are on a torrent. And to do that I can not .
I do not write about the levels and stuff.

21.12.2014 21:10:00

Sharpe with a large radius to do to resize and convert or after? In
converter all manipulations Sharpe, noise canceling and other settings are made at the same time to convert.
next step - the conversion itself, during which the selected compression ratio and resize.
to zoom radius unsharp mask 0. 2-0. 3
For visual perception of small images, it is desirable to increase local contrast and increase the radius of Sharp to about 1, 5. You do not need anyone to quote, just try and compare visually.

21.12.2014 21:30:00
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Sharpe with a large radius to do to resize and convert or after? In
converter all manipulations Sharpe, noise canceling and other settings are made at the same time to convert.
next step - the conversion itself, during which the selected compression ratio and resize.
to zoom radius unsharp mask 0. 2-0. 3
For visual perception of small images, it is desirable to increase local contrast and increase the radius of Sharp to about 1, 5. You do not need anyone to quote, just try and compare visually.

And do sharping second short-range? And to do it after resizing and conversion?
I used to always Sharpe after resizing. Sharpe to resize, in my opinion there was no point, since resize leveled the sharping. But that was a JPEG, and now NEF, can c NEF sequence of the other?

21.12.2014 22:15:00

it was JPEG, and now NEF
That's the difference. Can try on a standard (for converters) scheme, and can then Sharpe. Select that more like it.

21.12.2014 22:48:00
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it was JPEG, and now NEF
That's the difference. Can try on a standard (for converters) scheme, and can then Sharpe. Select that more like it.

still need 2 times Sharpe? Once with a large radius - Increase local contrast and a second time with a minimum radius - for sharpness?

21.12.2014 23:19:00

still need 2 times Sharpe? Once with a large radius - Increase local contrast and a second time with a minimum radius - for sharpness?
in the converter can be directly and local contrast and Sharp.

23.12.2014 11:01:00
Downloaded Capture NX-2, but can not find how to do it resize. Maybe it's some kind of the only restriction? Because writes Demo tentatively and can be used for 60 days.

23.12.2014 12:20:00

downloaded Capture NX-2. . . . can be used tentatively for 60 days.
Free Capture NX-D.
Resize usually in the output parameters. Capture NX-2 Enjoy three years ago, and did not resize, specifically in it - I do not remember.

25.12.2014 17:52:00

downloaded Capture NX-2, but can not find how to do it resize
Ctrl + Alt + S
 

25.12.2014 18:45:00

. . . Do I understand correctly that I need to do so? :. . .

With regard to sharpen in conjunction with workflow processing, then KMC helpful to you will be visiting the respective master class (MC) Andrey Zhuravlev school Profileschool:
http: // www. profileschool. ru / teacher / show / id / 5
However, the closest MK "Sharpening" will only be 1 April 2015

at earlier MK master (Zhuravlev) recommended the following sequence:
1. Processing of a full-size image.
2. Sharpen the basis of the content of the image scene (the last operation).
3. Save the image as a master file (I'd add, but not in the format JPEG) and modify it further.

Continued use of the master file:
4. Take the master file and lead to the desired size.
5. The final sharpness to compensate for the change in size.
away. . .
6. Save in a format that is specified side of using this file (usually, JPEG).

for other sizes repeat Step 4 - 6.

With web-Sharp is necessary to focus on the desired resolution and story content.
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