Discussion of the article: "Compact Camera Sony RX10 with unique optics"

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06.05.2014 14:45:00
I propose to discuss compact camera Sony RX10 with unique optics
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06.05.2014 14:46:00

What Degu?


For a discussion of the camera has a branch.

06.05.2014 14:52:00
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06.05.2014 16:06:00
begin with the phrase:
"The cost of conventional compact digital cameras with time becoming more accessible" and a smooth transition to the unit for 50 sput - in this great skill there.

06.05.2014 16:13:00
In the middle of the article test shots are too small and without reference to the major options. On the monitor, with about 100 ppi compare the results of different modes is very difficult.

And that means

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Viewfinder nice, but he is in no way comparable with the optical - monitor the subject through it uncomfortable

? What is "comfortable"? As compared to this, for example, EVI SLT? Note it on the article, it is not clear as used in this context characteristics.

06.05.2014 16:21:00
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begin with the phrase:
"The cost of conventional compact digital cameras with time becoming more accessible" and a smooth transition to the unit for 50 sput - in this great skill there.

Keyword - "ordinary"
obvious that a subject - an unusual

06.05.2014 16:33:00

obvious that a subject - an unusual
shoot like a soap dish for 10 tyshsh, but for the cost heaped SLR? Something recently got a whole bunch of these "unusual". Won new lyumiks 20 tyshsh that removes as mylnichka worth 2000P (at iso100 not distinguish fonts - they are blurred)

06.05.2014 16:38:00
I think, to the RX10 should be treated as ordinary camcorder format "under the Brigde-camera."
which takes pictures as a video camera or camera-Brigde.
in-general shooting photos for this price, dimensions, weight - rather conditional functional.

but it is good as a camcorder.
and video capabilities of this camera price - can be considered almost adequate.

A claim to the author that he was somehow introduced RX10 as camera and video capabilities are not tested and are not disclosed. In general in large part why the article turned out rather misleading.

06.05.2014 16:51:00
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obvious that a subject - an unusual
shoot like a soap dish for 10 tyshsh, but for the cost heaped SLR? Something recently got a whole bunch of these "unusual". Won new lyumiks 20 tyshsh that removes as mylnichka worth 2000P (at iso100 not distinguish fonts - they blurred)

many analogies shoot cameras with 1 "matrix and f / 2. 8 call?

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Vaughn new lyumiks
I do not know of such a model. What is the Panasonic Lumix Von Novij??
Google gave no answer...

06.05.2014 17:30:00
As for the choice of high iso puzzled - in new SLT sonek avtoizo customizable - manually set the boundaries in which it is changing. Is there no such? And do not even surprised - ekspoavtomatiki work indoors me and 77 and 99 does not suit. P includes only outdoors in good light.

A camera that has disappointed - chased beautiful focal shoved twice kropnutyh matrix here and swam picture. Left to crop 1. 5 would be better. Or general matrix of A7s stuffed - so it would be a bomb - but then RX1 more expensive would be very very niche.

06.05.2014 17:48:00


A camera that has disappointed - chased beautiful focal shoved twice kropnutyh matrix here and swam picture.

So its meaning is in the range of focal lengths.
And sprinkled with 1. 5 Sonia has Nexo, what's the point?

06.05.2014 17:50:00
Crop
not here twice, and 2. 7

06.05.2014 19:33:00

believe RX10 to be treated as a camcorder unusual format "under the Brigde-camera."
prosumers call them 10 years ago. At the same time, waiting for prosyumerki inch sensor, but the guys all Japanese fotokartelem 10 years pressed through bug, the star of eerie expensive sensors. As a result, the soap dish clamped between the phones to take off if only it was and b / s 10-15 sput. And then they burst, though machines with interchangeable lenses now with 9 sput start new. What were the soap dish can be sold?

but it is good as a camcorder.
and video capabilities of this camera price - can be considered almost adequate.

This again from sitting on several chairs at once (soap dishes, b / s, SLR, video) and attempts to sell 4 devices at one actually iron in one hand, but shit was hard to sell. Paws pulled - muzzle stuck.


many analogies shoot cameras with 1 "matrix and f / 2. 8 call?
This should be sharp if the phobia to change lenses, and 2. 8 on the entire range is not all necessary, and with a pair of glasses already have options.

06.05.2014 21:55:00
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and with a pair of glasses already have options.
Duc question was asked about the soap dish. (Obviously you do not watch the debate)

07.05.2014 5:37:00
Some scanty article. . . In
TX would be worth adding at least resolution screen and the viewfinder, and battery life.

still lens is unique in its characteristics
The article is very worthwhile to compare camera models Panas DMC-FZ200 (18000p) and Fujifilm X20 (20000r) osobanno on the part of lens distortion and noise matrix - in the light of noisy inch matrix Sony and inadequate price for the "target audience."

07.05.2014 8:27:00

With Panasonic to compare noise - not even funny. At low ISO - would cost.

course are lacking in Article similar tools :

07.05.2014 9:54:00
That's what I inetersuet:
is worth noting that the Sony creates its own file system, which can not take other devices
What file system is that?

07.05.2014 10:07:00
Very ambiguous. Luggage rather big, and weight and size. Anyway, look at the result. In the same amount of logical compare with SLR, but the quality of the photo is still soap dish, although good. Conceived photo and video processor - is not quite happened in camcorders quiet smooth zoom, aperture, autofocus and high-quality are the norm here on their work have complaints. Based on comments 50tr price is not adequate. A good processor has not turned out to be improved, and this price tridtsatnik, it does not cost more. Restricting Video cameras on only one focal length in the presence of such an expensive zoom - absurd (in the sense that the focus that is different, but change them when shooting can not be due to the recording of noise). If there are high demands on the photos and video - the way one SLR camera separately and individually.

07.05.2014 12:41:00

Duc question was asked about the soap dish.
So what? SLR with 18-200mm equivalent bar of soap for quite a ride. The difference in luminosity is absorbed better matrix. In normal people, there will be a 70-200 / 4L or 17-55 / 2. 8 one - which end interesting. Another was a watering can with Fix - 70 sput nothing special has shown Sigma specific and R1, which is similar reflex and not zaborola.

07.05.2014 13:40:00

With Panasonic compared to noise at low ISO - would cost.

Well, tochnyak yesterday, just read on about DPR A77 II, but for the noise on the plate RX10 look lazy And thank you for the reminder. In fact, it is clearly seen that for noise on the RX10 to shoot above ISO800 makes no sense, and 800 have already dumb. And FZ200 at ISO400 is also quite another wow shoots, so for daytime outdoor filming, they are quite comparable (especially considering the price difference ), just Sonya Pts much noise at the expense of detail presses and Panas gently.

07.05.2014 16:42:00
Release camera price in sput 40, with the matrix and miserable Brigde. For the price, competitors million, especially UPC, size, too.

Some expensive TRAVEL soap dish turned out. Like all of the brand.

07.05.2014 17:00:00

Some expensive TRAVEL soap dish turned out. Like all of the brand.
NEX-3N with excellent APS-C matrix of about 10-12 m. P. worth it. Is it expensive? And the full-frame system camera A7 their most accessible.

08.05.2014 1:11:00
(after the next cleaning threads)

remind participants of the discussion that the subject - a person of our forum. It is displayed directly on the main Web-site project iXBT. com. Through it, go to the forum new members. Do not know what moderation is particularly rigid? Did not understand that such topics should be doubly careful to hold back?

You now hamite friend the friend of someone else's money. Slightly overdo it and stepped on the owners of the resource it hurt - in the wallet. Why? Who from this can be better? Well

already have a conscience.

upd. Discuss this message is not necessary. Answer - even more so.

08.05.2014 1:48:00
In general, do not understand how this unit relates to the UPC for the price. On the other hand, a fairly large number of consumers-operation fundamentally do not want the camera with interchangeable lenses.

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Like all of the brand.
Any statement of this kind is by definition wrong and provocative. For any brand.

08.05.2014 6:49:00
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a sufficiently large number of consumers-operation fundamentally do not want the camera with interchangeable lenses
And you are never articulated its reasons? I just have not met with such an opinion, it would be very interesting to hear. I've heard "I will never be more than one lens," but that's straight to "categorically do not want to have the possibility to change" - this is not met.

You may ask: why do we need an opportunity, if not going to change? It's very simple: I like the camera itself. Camera like this and it does not need the opportunity.

08.05.2014 7:49:00

but straight to "categorically do not want to have the possibility to change" - this is not met

usually afraid of dust-ant-cats, get inside the camera when changing lenses.
 

08.05.2014 8:44:00


So he's not going to change anything. He just bought a camera that he liked for another . Not for the opportunity to change the lens. Once established - forgot.

08.05.2014 9:25:00

Tightly attach the lens easier, more reliable, durable, not cranky, contacts are not oxidized. I am one of those who need including camera without interchangeable lens.

08.05.2014 17:24:00
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A camera that has disappointed - chased beautiful focal shoved twice kropnutyh matrix here and swam picture.

So its meaning is in the range of focal lengths.
And sprinkled with 1. 5 Sonia has Nexo, what's the point?
I remembered my Nikon 995 - and for a nozzle expansion angle shooting.
One solution to this problem.
second option - "regime" crop for larger matrix - like a FF.
And there tsifrozum and a large array it gives the picture a result no worse than what I see here. Actually on vacation in FF with 70-300 I reached tsifrozuma on crop mode. the bright sun regime is quite working. But

killed flawed matrix image fix, alas, can not. And in the evening aperture 2. 8 becomes in fact not necessary - because of the fact that the matrix is ​​still not enough light.

PS give RX1Zoom - matrix A7S - Glass 35 - 150/2, 8 - on the idea in size must stay within the RX10 - 1, 5 crop modes + 1, 5 digits - 300 mm working on the long end. Yes compromise, but that which can be removed and day and night if you wanted and indoors without a flash.

I will add - in addition to the above advantages of a unified system - the matrix of the lens - there is one - efficiency. Not a good life real pros working with a couple of cameras with different lenses. Each weighing 2 - 4 kg. For a time window dressing this need may already fall. Interception camera saves, but do not always is the same time. Universal solution enables shoot something here and now, albeit with a slightly lower quality than do not remove or take off at all focal unsuccessful. But such noise - not the price that I am ready to pay for versatility. Tamron 28-300 easier to wait and buy it for the holidays.


08.05.2014 18:11:00
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And you are never articulated its reasons?
standard answer - will not buy interchangeable lenses. The answer is that this is not necessary, you can shoot the only lens that comes in the kit. A matrix of the camera to choose and so on. Typically, these explanations do not pass, but there are pleasant exceptions. For example, a colleague at work under my vozdestviem bought a Nex with the whale and very very happy. Now regrets that he has not acquired immediately double set of standard telephoto zoom +.


A7s In full-frame matrix.


08.05.2014 18:20:00
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Tightly attach the lens easier, more reliable, durable, not cranky, contacts are not oxidized
Oh, my God. . . I have a Nikon D60, bought about immediately after the release of this model, just with whale 18-55, and he still has not broke, do not cranky, and contacts are not oxidized, although in constant use, including travel. What am I doing wrong?

08.05.2014 19:30:00

question contains a statement of the relative truth of which has not been reached prior consent of the parties. Technically it's not a question, and manipulation. Please do not try with me so to speak. Thank U.

08.05.2014 19:35:00


question contains (in fact, a) meme. Communicating on the forums, common memes know, of course, not necessarily, but still better to know.

08.05.2014 19:41:00

Nikon 995
A7S
Tamron 28-300

Nex with the whale

Nikon D60


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08.05.2014 19:45:00

you asked a question. I answered. Thanks not wait, but your insults swallow does not intend to. Your behavior is disrespectful, rude and ungrateful: get the answers you draw a response in a typical Internet srach. What does this do? How then do you speak? About what? Why are asking questions? To immediately aggressive teenage internet memes attack responsible? What is it anyway?

10.05.2014 5:12:00
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and with a pair of glasses already have options.
Duc question was asked about the soap dish. (Obviously you do not watch the debate)

I believe that the soap box should cost no more than 10,000 rubles. And if you count all the soap box from which the lens is not removable, the RX1 also dish soap?

10.05.2014 10:21:00

Wait ever cheaper - buy b \\ y.
Manufacturers also want to eat and think differently.

12.05.2014 13:52:00

Tightly attach the lens easier, more reliable, durable, not cranky, contacts are not oxidized.
in theory and in practice - to take FIG plates money. How in a subject.


usually afraid of dust-ant-cats, get inside the camera when changing lenses.
Then the theme of the unidentified objects in the soap dish and how to get it.

12.05.2014 23:05:00


Well, let's rock-serious. It all started with what? From what you have said here is:
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Tightly attach the lens easier, more reliable, durable, not cranky, contacts are not oxidized.
So: I would argue that all this - is nonsense. Attempt to empty verbiage, not having under a no practical justification. Now I am clear enough?

12.05.2014 23:11:00

Yes, I understood everything. Thank U.

26.05.2014 21:16:00
The camera is interesting, but too expensive to go and buy. At the time when it is not difficult to acquire a serious 40000 bezzerkalku with additional lens, then two (in which the matrix is ​​two times greater) that looks throwback RX10, while the more powerful cameras. The most reasonable, given the purchasing power of the population, the price of this gadget is somewhere in the region of 25-27 thousand rubles for a new device. And they stuck a label Zeiss and turned, as usual, the price is twice as reasonable, and the arguments of the fans one answer: "So it w Zeiss!". Ugh. . .
And this is a purely amateur device parameters: there is not even 1/4000 shutter speed, not to mention 1/8000. Nikon generally realized 1/16000 electronically, and then shish. ISO only good, but with the 3200 noise is obvious.

27.05.2014 4:05:00
quality and functionality to capture video from the camera on top. good camcorder is turned. by instrumental measurements of detail she went all the everyday camera with a smaller sensor size. And it is generally all the cameras, but two of the newest - Sony SKH900 and AH100. For domestic camcorders 1 inch sensor - a "large" sensor.
so the price - yes, as for a top-end consumer camcorder way it is.

but the fact that she is also able to shoot photos, well, actually, yes, just like any other consumer camcorder. from cameras is just a bonus such optional, but it is.

buy the same camera with a small photo-sensor measures 1 inch just for the photo quality.
and it's clearly not a pocket camera.
hmm, that's really weird.

27.05.2014 18:56:00

quality and functionality to capture video from the camera on top. good camcorder is turned. by instrumental measurements of detail she went all the everyday camera with a smaller sensor size. And it is generally all the cameras, but two of the newest - Sony SKH900 and AH100. For domestic camcorders 1 inch sensor - a "large" sensor.
so the price - yes, as for a top-end consumer camcorder way it is.

Complete the test as the camera - was not performed, so that the claim is debatable.
better to give it to the hands of the people in the thread "Digital Video". The people there do not like photographers

01.07.2014 3:12:00
In the light of the emergence of Panasonic FZ1000, this camera is no benefit can not be held, but unless someone pleasant to hold the box with the inscription Sony. RX10 loses everything except aperture at the long, only here at Panas a long twice as long RX10, and this is as much more versatility, plus 4K plus swivel screen and not inclined, plus it is more convenient, plus exciting features and t. e.

01.07.2014 11:43:00
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In the light of the emergence of Panasonic FZ1000, this camera is no benefit can not be held, but unless someone pleasant to hold the box with the inscription Sony. RX10 loses everything except aperture at the long, only here at Panas a long twice as long RX10, and this is as much more versatility, plus 4K plus swivel screen and not inclined, plus it is more convenient, plus exciting features and t. e.

-RX10 little less:
137 x 99 x 131mm FZ1000
129 x 89 x 120mm RX10
-I have moisture protection
RX10 RX10 -We have a ND filter

01.07.2014 11:46:00
I note parenthetically that 200/2 and 400/4 lenses have similar prices.

01.07.2014 12:45:00

people there do not like photographers
- not photographers, fotoapparatchikov, are those with a video fotozamashkami climb. Photographers there quite respectable people.

plus 4K plus swivel screen and not inclined, plus it is more convenient
- 4K is a huge plus, and the screen is on the contrary, it is more convenient rotary inclined, I enjoyed those and others. On the camera tilting to the left is better, because there the other grip, and with fotoapparatnym grip flap is provided through the strap over his left arm, but still not the contrary view, and where that side - obviously a bad decision.

01.07.2014 16:25:00
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-RX10 little less:
137 x 99 x 131mm FZ1000
129 x 89 x 120mm RX10
-I have moisture protection RX10 RX10
-We have a ND filter
-Not fundamentally
-Videl I have this moisture protection - it can only spit without consequences, he would not survive the rain. Here at Pentax, Olympus OM-D, Fuji X-T1 - here they yes, Waterproof. And all I've seen Sony and Canon - all without protection. Even Mark 3 and 6D, although it is written that protected and gaskets nowhere else - neither in kartslotah or in the battery compartment, no special connectors are not protected. Marketing chatter, no more, well, more of dust and sand to protect. But the rain did not, I would not risk. -For
Panas with its built-in 1/16000 ND-filter as the fifth leg of the dog, by golly.

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plus 4K plus swivel screen and not inclined, plus it is more convenient
- 4K is a huge plus, and the screen is on the contrary, it is more convenient rotary inclined, I enjoyed those and others. On the camera tilting to the left is better, because there the other grip, and with fotoapparatnym grip flap is provided through the strap over his left arm, but still not the contrary view, and where that side - obviously a bad decision.
Well, there is someone like me it is more convenient swing-out, like Panas, for example, the fact that it is possible to remove the body and not scratching / paw, and vertical frames can be done as "from the belly", and with the land / top flap of this, alas, does not allow.

29.12.2014 10:07:00

In the light of the emergence of Panasonic FZ1000
Well, I'm the idiot who yesterday choosing between fz1000 and sony rx10 chose Sony. The choice was difficult, but Sony took the size and zaschischennostyu. I video too interesting, but do not need to 4k, and have full hd sony bit better.
 

29.12.2014 10:33:00

vertical frames can be made as "from the belly" and the ground / top, flip this, alas, does not allow.
Flip (if called by your terminology, I consider folding the one that leans to one side) allows, while it is more convenient because it does not lie through the hand and through the strap. Filmed on 3 machines with rotary screens (turns up or down, but not to the side) and from the ground and from the belly and over the head - very convenient. One (60d), I had to side with folding screen - really uncomfortable. For this reason, when choosing between Nikons 3300 and 5300, 3300 was chosen to screen at the 5300 turning up and down - would prefer it. This "digression". The bottom line is that Sonya and more convenient and pleasant picture, but Panas 4K. This is more important.
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