Processing RAW

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14.07.2012 15:48:00
I would like to get an answer to the question of the correct method of processing and converting RAW to Jpeg. Namely, when it is best to push the noise and Sharpe - when converting equal or during subsequent processing in Jpeg photo editor? It is also interesting the better shumodava?
 

14.07.2012 16:30:00

I prefer not to "shumodava." In Adobe Camera RAW default is some noise reduction, but also people in the know say that it destroys color. Normal modern cameras allow you to shoot at very high ISO with an acceptable level of noise. And the reduction in the resolution of the monitor noise is generally irrelevant. If the noise is such that in these circumstances it would be desirable "shumodava", then this card is better to simply throw.

's just that process a large series of photos taken at the cottage. Processing in Camera RAW was enough. If you bring to the highest Conditions by any particular picture - only then, I think, may require a separate tools for sharpening.


ISO 1250. Only Adobe Camera RAW, including cropping.

2. jpg - screen resolution.
3. jpg - 1: 1


14.07.2012 16:45:00

also interesting the better shumodava?
in stock a wide range of opinions, it seems many satisfied rough shumodava all over the field, type Neatimage, Noiseninja, Topaz, Noiseware (however, it has local settings, through color ranges). Apparently perebolev clumsy noise reduction to smooth the wax, I now use nothing but DFine2 mode locale, or very easy to squelch C1, though he only polishing, high ISO will not take, but so good that not uparyvaet image to paraffin . On the approach of heavy duty denoising Rawtherapee, which already udelaet any other at high ISO, but I think it would not hurt to add a sensitivity at low ISO, to the level of C1 and. . all manufacturers shumodavcheskih plugins rest overnight.

14.07.2012 16:47:00


Well cameras all have different
at native resolution or not at high noise certainly not often seen, but I have a mania view photos on a powerful zoom looking for flaws . In addition, when the light is not enough, the noise is clearly visible.

14.07.2012 16:58:00
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view photos on a powerful zoom

Why?

14.07.2012 17:00:00

If your unit is "giving" RAW, then it is on to something. And yet. . . Why?

14.07.2012 17:00:00

when it is best to push the noise and Sharpe - when converting equal or during subsequent processing in Jpeg photo editor?

I would say, for each picture there is no universal sequence - which depends on the skills of dealing with this or that software. To anticipate, try different sequences for the first one and the same picture - so all and see.

also interesting the better shumodava?

NeatImage
not only well shumodava mass settings, but not bad enough retains color for batch conversion (let the plants and shumodavleniya to zero) in zhipeg of the most glubokobitnogo Tiff (in other programs this is usually a problem)

14.07.2012 17:17:00
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Why?

MMMM. I do not know what to say.

14.07.2012 17:29:00
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MMMM. I do not know what to say.

Exactly. Roughly speaking, you maety foolishness with per-pixel photo

14.07.2012 17:42:00
Here it is, rutyrnet, senseless and merciless - you ask a question, but instead of answering only get self-adjustment, in that spirit, saying that "Mast foolishness" and generally "you do not need," schA you more homework nadiktuet somebody of bored England compatriots

14.07.2012 18:13:00

Just have a look at the wider issues. And then it may be that the problem is not.

14.07.2012 18:29:00
When push - does not matter. Best squelch - plug-in for Photoshop from Nikon "Dfine 2".

14.07.2012 21:34:00

If squelch is really needed, then it should apply to all other treatments. Sharpe, if you really want done in the last turn, often before saving. But not much carried away with no one nor the other, should be the measure.

Best squelch - plug-in for Photoshop from Nikon "Dfine 2".
plugin is really good. Only here and Nikon ? Nik Software manufacturer. Or all that is in the name of "nik" machine to Nikon ?

16.07.2012 5:17:00

Just where is Nikon? Nik Software manufacturer. Or all that is in the name of "nik" machine to Nikon?
machine, on such issues need to ask Google, for example on a line: "Nik Software nikon". As you can see smoke without fire, Nikon has invested money in them, still 6 years ago, and Nick Software, in turn, made them a Capture NX 2 *. However, if judged by the quality noise reduction in Capture NX 2. 3 vs Dfine, their paths diverged yet.

* http: // www. niksoftware. com / cepnx / usa / entry. php? view = ... o / capturenx. shtml


Best squelch - plug-in for Photoshop from Nikon "Dfine 2".
thanks for echo


16.07.2012 9:14:00

also interesting the better shumodava?
nonuse ubiquitous Sharpe.

16.07.2012 17:44:00

Rawtherapee, which already udelaet any other at high ISO, but I think it would not hurt to add a sensitivity at low ISO, to the level of C1 and. . all manufacturers shumodavcheskih plugins rest overnight.

intrigued

16.07.2012 17:48:00

check themselves, the case ten minutes

16.07.2012 19:21:00
If you simply convert from RAW to Jpeg through the program XnView, then the quality of the photo change much?

16.07.2012 23:33:00
Even
-camera jpg - not just a product of conversion. A conversion with some parameters that you have set (or left those who default). I do not know whether he could read these parameters XnView. If not - then the result is "just convert" more likely to be a lot worse. If yes - that is about the same. But if we ignore the "just convert" and attach the hand, you can expect to improve.
But generally recommend using raw converters, not "extra. The" image viewer.

17.07.2012 18:08:00

I would like to get an answer to the question of the correct method of processing and converting RAW to Jpeg. Namely, when it is best to push the noise and Sharpe - when converting equal or during subsequent processing in Jpeg photo editor?
I think that starting from RAW development with a need in the first place with exposure compensation.

19.07.2012 0:42:00
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I would like to get an answer to the question of the correct method of processing and converting RAW to Jpeg. Namely, when it is best to push the noise and Sharpe
squelch it first step in the processing of the frame after the conversion, sharping - last , well before adding the frame and signature. . . .

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envelope in JPEG and then edit it? ? ? ! ! ! Yes, you, my friend, you pervert.

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also interesting the better shumodava?
Neat Image, noise ninja, noisewareb topaz denoise. . . . someone like that.

19.07.2012 1:22:00

envelope in JPEG and then edit it? ? ? ! ! ! Yes, you, my friend, you pervert.

Oh. An interesting revelation. Or the same PS for ACR needs, whatever the "save as" press?

19.07.2012 6:04:00

pervert, pervert. . . . "Envelope in jpeg" may mean one thing: to save the converter jpeg-file, then upload it. . . If you just open through the ACR in Photoshop, no jpeg does not arise.

19.07.2012 7:21:00
For myself, concluded that the use of Sharp and denoising costs as low as possible - for example, if the lighting sucks and noise openly visible. Sharpe did not use (yet) apply denoising and occasionally in homeopathic doses.

19.07.2012 7:56:00

pervert, pervert. . . .
And I'm a pervert, too! Well, not ndravitsya me how ACR translates CR2 in jpg. . . So I really Frame your and do what I need to do and perhaps, in the DPP. And then, if that, and Photoshop go. Here there with resayzennogo file shumochki something and poubirayu, the same DFine. This if necessary. Well, pull up a little color in different areas, there DPP, of course, is rather weak. By the way, I use and your plug-ins, very good. But still, in the processing of initially good pictures Photoshop suprotiv DPP does not pull!
 

19.07.2012 8:00:00

And rightly so. Especially because there are plenty of untapped reserves.

. If not press "Save Image" and "Open Image" - no transition to jpg does not occur. It was about this.

Here there with resayzennogo file shumochki something and poubirayu, the same DFine.
Tidy "shumochki" with resayzennogo - this is very strange.

way, and use your plug-ins
know that new there?
The message attached images are shown above.

19.07.2012 9:07:00

aware that there is new?
course, learned in another thread and downloaded. I must say that the "magic wand" to my pictures has no effect , but the skin tone to make a natural and easy.

Strictly speaking, ACR does not "translate CR2 in jpg". He makes interpolation and convert RAW-data from the camera to the color space RGB (sRGB, Adobe RGB,...).
Yeah, yeah, I just did not express myself very clearly. Similarly, acts and DPP.
The result of these manipulations in DPP I like!

Tidy "shumochki" with resayzennogo - this is very strange.
And if that's really necessary to silnotyanutyh shadows. When you resize down and so the visibility of noise masked, so it is necessary to shumodava smaller. And DFine areas so all is well.
I actually print 15x20 get around mostly without Sharpe and shumodava, but the above - is necessary to look.

19.07.2012 9:18:00

I must say that the "magic wand" to my pictures has no effect

It simply means that the basic settings of your photos originally correct.
But the photographs of Default - works (See above.).

The result of these manipulations in DPP I like!
I have bad memories about the DPP. When got the first SLR, a time to use it. Then he moved on to ACR - and stayed there. Recently looked-date version of DPP - br-rr. . .

When resize down and so the visibility of noise masked, so it is necessary to shumodava smaller. In noise reduction
little understand, because I do not drink, but in my view squelch should work on the original image is not distorted by any treatment, especially related to spatial transformations. Correct denoising, IMHO, should be based on the nature of the noise. . .

19.07.2012 11:03:00
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Here it is, rutyrnet, senseless and merciless - you ask a question, but instead of answering only get self-adjustment, in that spirit, saying that "Mast foolishness" and generally "you do not need"

The question was about the correct method of handling ro-files. The correct method of image processing in a more or less normal cells (ro-present time format) does not imply any shumodava other than those used in the converter. As well as "a powerful zoom" when viewing.

What is this you, as the author boyanistaya maxims about the senseless and merciless ðóíåò been misunderstood?

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If you just convert from RAW to Jpeg through the program XnView, then the quality of the photo change much?

Compared to what? Keep in mind that XnView uses a universal code, but not ideal converter dcraw.

19.07.2012 11:24:00


I must say that the "magic wand" to my pictures has no effect

what I said? Maybe better to add some options to volshpalochke-deviations, such as punch, Cold, Worm, haiku, etc., leaving the existing position as nyutral?

19.07.2012 11:50:00

what I said?
So literate people are not so little. You are not alone. . .

Maybe better to add more options to volshpalochke-deviations, such as punch, Cold, Worm, haiku, etc., leaving the existing position as nyutral?

Maybe you knocked the metaphor of "magic wand". . . Maybe I'm not very good this metaphor applied. . . In fact, there is nothing magical. On the contrary - its action is based on a strictly academic reasons - it implements the linear transformations in the color space, do not create artifacts and suitable for most images. If only these pictures will not have a full tonal range and the range of saturation or vice versa - the plot is that the full range is not required.

The purpose of this button - do not create a special effect, and execute an automatically binding (see clause. Above) processing.

not plan at all to make any special effects - not my genre.

19.07.2012 12:12:00

not plan at all to make any special effects
I think that is absolutely right.
But plaginchik to GIMP-in does not hurt!

19.07.2012 12:17:00

But plaginchik to GIMP-in does not hurt!
Pridelyvanie plugins for everything that moves - is not up to me. GIMP plugins fotoshopovskie support?

19.07.2012 12:59:00

GIMP plugins fotoshopovskie support?
Yes. Several kosovato true.

19.07.2012 13:10:00
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But the photographs of Default - works (See above.).

What kind of magic wand we talking about? In the picture above I see that the contrast strengthened. . .

19.07.2012 13:37:00

What kind of magic wand we talking about?

That's this . On your picture easily improved contrast automatically because initially there is a noticeable veil. In addition, the saturation increases almost automatically. And you can add both manually. So, there is room for improvement and without Sharpe.

20.07.2012 8:04:00

check themselves, the case ten minutes

Tried interface certainly sad, but the program seems to work. There is a question and how to press such lapuhi noisy:

If then he coped with a bang,
http: // dl. dropbox. com / u / 5020311 / Screenshots_ / desktop ... 0120720080357. jpg

That there were colored "smudges":
http: // dl. dropbox. com / u / 5020311 / Screenshots_ / desktop ... 0120720080426. jpg

It's unfortunate that this miracle the program does not know how to deal with banding http: // dl. dropbox. com / u / 5020311 / Screenshots_ / desktop ... 0120720080949. jpg


20.07.2012 9:37:00

oh, sorry, can not see your pictures. Help if perezalёte on fotkidepo This denoising makes FFT analysis over the entire area (why and brake), and the resulting coefficients, lay the card application blur. That is how a person goes, masking noise by hand, by means of Photoshop. Noise bars Canon - ordered noise squelch it certainly confused with useful information, stripes on the wallpaper, for example. Looks like we need a special algorithm, turning under your banding.

20.07.2012 10:59:00


you use the "stable" version of RT 4. 09. 50, in which no new shumodava. Take the unstable version 4. 09. 70 here: http: // rawtherapee. com / forum / viewtopic. php? f = 1 & amp; t ... start = 1785 # p29264

20.07.2012 11:09:00
I have a question. As I understand it, there are two ways after correcting distortion - zoom in and hold on the image to the native resolution or make a crop, respectively reduce the resolution. Which one is the most correct?

20.07.2012 11:42:00

you use the "stable" version of RT 4. 09. 50, in which no new shumodava. Take the unstable version 4. 09. 70 here: http: // rawtherapee. com / forum / viewtopic. php? f = 1 & amp; t ... start = 1785 # p29264

I do not quite understand what was posted? It's just the exe to be reported to the folder with a program? And it is only intended i7? I peel and the program does not start, complains about the lack of dll

20.07.2012 12:21:00
Free
the RAW-converter RawTherapee more here

20.07.2012 13:04:00


I i3, I think, on the crust too go. The main thing - that the system is 64-bit.

If you need 32-bit, something like this is what you need:
http: // rawtherapee. com / forum / viewtopic. php? f = 1 & amp; t ... p; start = 45 # p29460

20.07.2012 13:47:00
Failed to start, but opening folder with rabbis prog crashes.

20.07.2012 13:55:00
32 bit do not even try to fall continuously, like a 64bit app for editing, but there are also falls when saving results.

20.07.2012 14:31:00

is seen Rava you do not have that system

And in fact, try to better 64-bit. I have it guaranteed to work (though n is always stable). Unless, of course you do not have x32 Windows.

20.07.2012 14:35:00
I am 64-bit and try
 

20.07.2012 15:24:00

I have one version of the constantly falling, and the other works steadily (relatively stable ). Rummage Offline RT, try a different version.
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