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10.09.2011 12:19:00
Hello
finally decided to change the bar of soap for inexpensive SLR.
Predvaritelno- Nikon D5100 with 18-105 lens.
Choice born after weeks of reading forums and reviews, but t. To. I never specialist, and not even a great lover, doubts remained.

such criteria were:
budget of about $ 1,000 plus or minus 100 on the carcass with the kit lens;
T. k. In the near future I do not plan to re-buy the lens, the kit should be as versatile;
should be a good auto mode- I dilettante, and will develop gradual;
good quality photos and good video (but the photo in priority).

Almost immediately, the choice fell to Nikon d5100 and Canon 600D- others or much more expensive (60D and above) or older / much worse (d3100).
seems like from the reviews Photo little better in 5100, and 600 in the video. .
T. k. Photo is more important, and besides, a little less than 5100 and more comfortable in the hand for me, chose him

have not bought, but already ordered, promised to bring on Monday.
What would guru- much mistaken, or what?
Thanks in advance for meaningful advice
 

10.09.2011 12:25:00
look through the viewfinder, at 5100 on, he is too small and the range of diopter adjustment may not be enough, depending on the view. About Canon m. B. same here.

10.09.2011 12:51:00

I think a decent choice for a beginner zerkalschika. 18-105 in the whale - the right decision, ie. To. The glass is good, and quite a selection of focus will help you understand what additional lenses will be needed later (if needed ).

10.09.2011 12:55:00

or older / much worse (d3100)
difference with 5100: the top, outside the ISO 12800 and 25600, respectively.
Workers ISO - 1200 and 1600.
weaker small screen, but even in the plus - marriage is better seen.
Video without autofocus. But
camera 3100 TEACHES freshman shooting. And he does it more than comfortable, gently and efficiently.

such as the surveys photos slightly better in 5100 , and video at 600. .
Video in 5100 is also better for the fan - it's the only camera today with tracking autofocus.
Photo - comparable, but 5100 still starts making noise much later, if you shoot and there, and there is not automatic.
SLRs require an understanding of the work.

What would guru- much mistaken, or what?
Well, if only in this
Good quality photo
quality fully depends on the photographer.
A camera only helps him get this quality.
And so the choice for today - quite reasonable, universal. And you
successful shots!

10.09.2011 13:17:00
Hold in the hands of all the options. I, for example, Nikon D5100 seemed terribly uncomfortable - well, that's not at all in the hand and that's it. Canon 600D in this regard much more convenient. (I myself if that Nikon D90 - also good machine, but it will not offer - still a bit old and already out of production, video it said they do not).

10.09.2011 13:54:00
I do not like the choice of lens.

10.09.2011 14:23:00

I do not like the choice of lens.

Why? In terms of price and quality is one of the best lenses.

10.09.2011 14:54:00

More than once compared the D5100 and 600D. Download instructions and read these devices. I got the impression that the 5100D better, more feature-rich and user-friendly machine than 600D.
AF Tracking HB video from D5100 - is nonsense IMHO, that is not worth paying attention to. Look at the actual shooting video with the D5100. There AF does not help, but rather spoils the video. IMHO, when shooting still have to disable AF. I held it in his hands D5100 and 600D - for me the grip seemed to be the same. Maybe a little bit better at 600D, but it was a little bit.
image quality and noise - like at D5100D better, although here http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / nikond5100 / page12. asp can not see it.
D5100 + 18-105 cheaper than the 600D + 18-135, but if you'll buy more extra. battery and lenses, everything is more expensive.
I bought the 600D, but I have a reason for this choice: all friends with canon and availability and low cost extra. accessories.

should be a good auto mode- I dilettante, and will develop gradual;
Harness have immediately. On the machine, these devices make good, but all of their best opportunities do not show.

10.09.2011 15:03:00
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look through the viewfinder, from 5100 on, he is too small and the range of diopter adjustment may not be enough, depending on the view. About Canon m. B. same here.

specially watched, t. To. Read about it.
My right eye is nearsighted and correction I had neither the 5100 nor 600d, although slightly better than Canon.
But that's no problem, I'm completely comfortable endorsing his left eye.

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or older / much worse (d3100)
difference with 5100: the top, outside the ISO 12800 and 25600, respectively.
Workers ISO - 1200 and 1600.
weaker small screen, but even in the plus - marriage is better seen.
Video without autofocus.
. . .
Thank you!
But like, the main difference from 3100- another matrix, from the older model?
Is it not essential?

10.09.2011 15:17:00

3100- other matrix
yes, 14 Mn, new

from the older model?
No, Nikon is used only in 3100. Inexpensive, take it easy - more forgiving of errors.
But, of course, the possibility of a little weaker than in 5100 - just the difference in price. If
will grow, think about how to shoot, 5100 will be correct.
Clicking on the machine - take 3100 and have a legitimate pleasure - it is a lot to learn the ropes.
And after already decide themselves - to grow further, or are already well-))
Well, a year or two will be an entirely new generation, with the possibilities of even steeper

10.09.2011 23:32:00
Maybe instead of 5100 to take the D90? such as poluprof. . . though older
For the price they are now the same. . .

10.09.2011 23:34:00
D3100 does not take very much
D90 not take

D5100 take
600D take

11.09.2011 3:39:00

Short and sweet

But also about the D7000? The difference in price with interest 30-35- 5100- justified? podnapryachsya worth? Like
processor and matrix identical

11.09.2011 4:44:00

But also about the D7000? The difference in price with interest 30-35- 5100- justified? podnapryachsya worth? Like
processor and matrix identical

You almost now ask: string up to buy a D7000 or 60D. . . . . And started with the D5100 or 600D. You decide!

11.09.2011 10:32:00
And it is necessary to buy a Sony A55.

11.09.2011 10:43:00

Maybe instead of 5100 to take the D90? such as poluprof. . . though older

Taking D90, you automatically lose quality video, as well as a modern matrix. But get "screwdriver" which gives access to many low-cost lenses, and better ergonomics. In this case, it is better to look at the D7000.

11.09.2011 10:56:00

18-105 in the whale - the right decision, ie. A. A good glass
Strongly disagree. Pillow had a terrible distortion at all diapzone from 35 to 105 mm. Particularly noticeable when shooting groups of people - the extreme crooked outrageously.

11.09.2011 12:37:00
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[. . . In this case, it is better to look at the D7000.
In general, watching, watching D7000 test pictures and D5100- I did not see the difference. Perhaps the pros see, but I do not.
if I can not see the difference. . .

11.09.2011 13:20:00

between shots D200 and D300s or D40x D5000 and you also will not see the difference. But this does not mean that it is better to take the D40x and D5000, respectively.

tell me that the camera - is primarily a tool. And besides the matrix is ​​still a lot of other characteristics that influence the choice.

11.09.2011 23:06:00
quote:
: What would guru- much mistaken, or what?
Yes. But it's too late.
 

12.09.2011 14:46:00

What would guru- much mistaken, or what?
No, not wrong. But choosing something else, too, would not mistaken, all the devices mentioned in this thread (and a lot of others) are good enough for recreational use, you can find all the necessary lenses and accessories.

12.09.2011 15:30:00

here I am the shield that the initial SLR fundamentally necessary to saw auto mode, all the plot and stuff like that, leave the AV, TV, m - to quickly ceased to be dilletantami

12.09.2011 15:32:00
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here I am the shield that the initial SLR fundamentally necessary to saw auto mode, all the plot and stuff like that, leave the AV, TV, m - to quickly ceased to be dilletantami
Why? Who cares, put the semi-automatic / handbrake, and the rest can be removed completely from the machine and do not bother, if photos pleases.
more important to learn how to critically view the captured ship and dozens of spectators do not differ photo .

12.09.2011 15:37:00

Thank you all for your answers and tips! Bought
still D5100 with 18-105 .
begins to develop.
Take the ranks zerkalschikov!

12.09.2011 15:38:00
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Bought still D5100 with 18-105 .
begins to develop.
Take the ranks zerkalschikov!
Congratulations! Great shot!

12.09.2011 15:39:00
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Thank you all for your answers and tips! Bought
still D5100 with 18-105 .
begins to develop.
Take the ranks zerkalschikov!


done, all was right.

12.09.2011 15:42:00

congratulate fellow

Interestingly three kenonista, congratulate convert nikonista

12.09.2011 15:45:00
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Interestingly three kenonista, congratulate convert nikonista
"The main thing that was a good man!"
and identify fast enough for just two days.

12.09.2011 17:14:00
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and identify fast enough for just two days.

Well, not two days, I wrote in the opening topic that until this week "studied the subject" self
And absolutely "Swifty" some turns

12.09.2011 17:16:00
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And absolutely "Swifty" some turns
not been a topic where people half a day chosen and bought, here was famously .

13.01.2012 17:21:00
Kenonisty comrades rather than enlighten whether on the following question: how many significant practical differences between the 60d and 600d?
On paper, this high capacity battery, more speed continuous shutter, the presence of 9 instead of 1 plus-focus sensor in the older model. Like, did not miss anything. Matrix have, like, the same.


and then choose, think chitayu- but no clarity on

13.01.2012 17:24:00

second wheel and the top of the small screen - greatly simplify the process and enhance the comfort, for me personally it is very difficult to use after 7d camera with 1m wheel and no upper screen

13.01.2012 17:26:00

More sizes, the presence of the upper small screen and a few other controls.

13.01.2012 17:32:00

second wheel- it in the sense of the rear panel, around navipeda?

plans to soon move in zerkalkovladeltsy, and now try as much as possible to understand the issue and what
glass (50/1, 8 - Masthev course ) recommend?

13.01.2012 17:47:00


glumax
second wheel- it in the sense of the rear panel, around navipeda?

Yes, it is very convenient modes av / tv is responsible for compensation, and in the manual for the shutter speed or aperture to choose

13.01.2012 17:48:00
Yes
the figures looked and off. Online there is a table comparing the (admittedly, about the size of the elements and DLA there is no gu-gu, but your link out or that they are identical, or nearly so).

* DLA, I understand - mat. limit of the diaphragm, after which the effect of diffraction is noticeable, and the higher the value is the better?

13.01.2012 17:53:00

I would be in your place all the signs looked

responsibility yes
 

13.01.2012 18:07:00


oh, there still is
sorry, stepped: Friday same train. . . I continue to study))
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