The perennial problem of choice: D3100 / D90 / 550D / alternative

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05.03.2011 1:32:00
All welcome! On
digicam photograph from 2005, was first ultrazoom Minolta Z5, now Fuji F200EXR. I think that is ripe to move to SLR. Budget 40000. I photograph mostly on trips (90%), the remaining 10% -Home family photo, respectively, with respect to the genre, the priorities are: 1. \\ landscape architecture, Portrait 2., 3. Videos 4. Macro. Take a long time and invest in optics does not intend, may dokuplyu fixed aperture (bokeh want ).
Based on the reviews and forum came the following options 90 + SIGMA AF 18-125 DC OS HSM (39900), D3100 Kit (24990), 550Dkit EF-S 18-135 IS (39900)
in his hands while holding only D90 check out his work shop does not allow. Before going to the store is going to take it, now I am in meditations - immediately repels massiveness and weight. Maybe tomorrow will be able to rest 2 options twist \\ poschёlkat. In
D90 attracts not noisy matrix, ergonomic operation, a powerful rechargeable battery, sturdy case and certainly functional. Repel, dimensions \\ weight, quality video / audio. D3100 attracts cost and relatively high-quality video. 550D as I understand it, it's great shoots video, noisy photographs (18Mp on crop matrix will be a bit too much), and has a very hlikim body.
So I stood in front of the problem of choice, it is better and cheaper to take pictures, and even video and writes good Gubozakatochnuyu machine does not offer
Thank you to everyone who responds)
 

05.03.2011 2:03:00
D90 to me preferable. In his hands and d90 and 550d. Miscellaneous kach- during assembly and material. + Upper screen + 2 wheel controls for shutter speed and aperture + total ergonomics. Seems to me that 550 price is too high because of megapixels. Videos - all bad. Choose a photo. To have a camcorder video. Recommend to 18-200VR. To travel the most it. Had set d80 + 18-200. 100% satisfied. Moved to d700. In comparison, the d90 - is Canon 550d
As always say - take in hand, trust the heart and do not forget about the mind

05.03.2011 2:17:00

+ 2 wheel controls for shutter speed and aperture
That's me in it especially touches
A 18-200 wallet too much bite -27,400 in the photo. Dr A sigma lens I chose because whales 18-105 plastic mount, while the sigma-metal + slightly larger focal range

05.03.2011 8:09:00
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+ 2 wheel controls for shutter speed and aperture
That's me in it especially touches
A 18-200 wallet too much bite -27,400 in the photo. Dr A sigma lens I chose because whales 18-105 plastic mount, while the sigma-metal + slightly larger focal range

was given you this plastic mount. Nothing wrong with it does not.
Council standard: go to the store and hold all the options in their hands. Part of options disappear.

05.03.2011 12:16:00
ckazhite a lens of 15-xx-xx 18 and the difference in the three One unit is significantly? cropped 1. 6

05.03.2011 13:28:00

ckazhite a lens of 15-xx-xx 18 and the difference in the three One unit is significantly? cropped 1. 6

On the wide "angle", each mm focal palpable. Yes, the difference will be noticeable.

05.03.2011 13:33:00
After reading many reviews he came to a choice:
1. Nikon D3100 + 18-105 (subsequently acquiring 35/1, 8)
2. Canon 550D + 18-55 (perhaps 18-135IS)
Nikon D90 seems to me not worth considering, it is outdated (all the same in 2008). . . .
advise which of these options will give a clear picture, who better to work at high ISO. Many people write that for Canon 550D should take 15-85 since 18-135 for a carcass is not suitable (not quality). . . .

05.03.2011 14:24:00
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regard to genre, the priorities are: 1. \\ landscape architecture, Portrait 2., 3. Videos 4. Macro. Take a long time and invest in optics does not intend, may dokuplyu fixed aperture (bokeh want ).
gee. . with such different priorities will have to be invested. so I would take with the cheapest and whale watching on the go - can the priorities have changed.

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D90 + SIGMA AF 18-125 DC OS HSM (39900)
big and heavy. D3100 significantly kompatnee and easier - one of the smallest in size DSLRs. But at the D90 has a screwdriver and you can buy 5 tyrov 50/1. 8 portraits. priority landscapes N1 / architecture would take not specified Sigma and Tamron 17-50 / 2. 8 without stub .

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D3100 Kit (24990)
24990 - price quite horse. Now you can buy a kit for the 19-20, and even as much of the body 17. 5. e. To your budget, you can buy the right pair of body + lens that you require. Or a pair of right whale + lenses. Of the minuses - cheap motor fixes - only 35/1. 8, and relatively inexpensive, 50/1. 4. You can certainly buy unpowered 50/1. 8 and twist it handles on the rangefinder.

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550Dkit EF-S 18-135 IS (39900)
not skazhu- did not feel. At the time, Canon 400 in my hand does not lay down

05.03.2011 15:31:00

Nikon D90 seems to me you should not consider it obsolete (all the same in 2008). . . .
As the owner of D90, I'm upset that phrase. Compare D90 and D3100 is not correct, because the different niches of the camera. Yes, and 550D in many respects to the D90 does not hold.
Given here is: I take a long time and invest in optics does not intend then D90Kit, t. To. A long time (a lot of potential for development and growth of a novice photographer, t. E. Significantly more than the 2 competitors in your choosing) + him unpowered 50 F1. 4, v. To. Without much investment in optics and want bokeh .

05.03.2011 16:10:00
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him unpowered 50 F1. 4, v. To. Without much investment in optics and want bokeh .
for fairness, I note that the price difference between the motor and non-motorized 50/1. 4 - two times smaller than that between d3100 body and d90 body

05.03.2011 16:11:00
Like, there are already two or three threads exactly the same thing.

05.03.2011 16:14:00

for fairness, I note that the price difference between the motor and non-motorized 50/1. 4 - two times smaller than that between d3100 body and d90 body
Sarcasm accepted. . A top screen? 2 wheels? flash control? How much it is possible to estimate?

05.03.2011 16:29:00
In hands while holding only D90, check his work shop does not allow.
1. More in this shop do not go. No matter what kind of machine decide to buy.
2. If you are not going to buy direct Sedna - wait until this thread will go.

05.03.2011 17:32:00
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Nikon D90 seems to me you should not consider it obsolete (all the same in 2008). . . .
As the owner of D90, I'm upset that phrase. Compare D90 and D3100 is not correct, because the different niches of the camera. Yes, and 550D in many respects to the D90 does not hold.
Given here is: I take a long time and invest in optics does not intend then D90Kit, t. To. A long time (a lot of potential for development and growth of a novice photographer, t. E. Significantly more than the 2 competitors in your choosing) + him unpowered 50 F1. 4, v. To. Without much investment in optics and want bokeh .

Regarding the comparison of Nikon D90 and canon 550D or Nikon D3100, I mean that the level of development of digital technology went ahead and digital signal processing takes place in the new SLR at a high level (at equal matrices) and buying a nikon D3100 or canon D550 you get a better processor, the ability to shoot in a more complex environment (work high ISO), and so on. d.. . . In this branch mainly people who buy my first DSLR and important to them quality output from the camera, and it means a good matrix, a good processor and good (for beginners) glass! ! ! And then some of them will come to the conclusion that they need a Nikon D90 or D7000, or canon 60D, and so on. D.. . . . Therefore, I ask you for advice, what is optimal for a beginner: nikon D3100 18-105 or Canon 550D 18-55, that will give me a better picture (sharpness, work at high ISO, glass what better Canon or Nikon 18-105 18 -135), later maybe dokuplyu Nikon 35/1, 8 or canon 50/1. 8

05.03.2011 20:45:00

For Canon will not say anything, not familiar with this technique, and if you choose from Nikon, it still between the D90 and D3100 functional gap is too big. I would suggest a compromise model - D5000 (or newer - D5100) in conjunction with the 18-105 (a decent universal glass for the money). And then you can really get some good fix like 35/1, 8, or long telephoto.

05.03.2011 22:06:00
And what is the Nikon D5100? ! ! ! I missed something in this life?

06.03.2011 1:29:00

expected this year an updated modification D5000. Details ask Uncle Gugel.

06.03.2011 2:07:00

and where there is a comparative picture for wide angle?

06.03.2011 10:19:00
Misnomer - perennial problem of selecting D3100 / D90 / 550D / alternative
We had so - perennial problem of selecting DHHHH / DHH / ​​HHHD / alternative
And that is news got out type D7000, 600D, and on the way D5100. . .

08.03.2011 14:55:00
For Canon will not say anything, not familiar with this technique, and if you choose from Nikon, it still between the D90 and D3100 functional gap is too big. I would suggest a compromise model - D5000 (or newer - D5100) in conjunction with the 18-105 (a decent universal glass for the money). And then you can really get some good fix like 35/1, 8, or long telephoto.
Subscribe to the recommendations on the choice of a forthcoming Nikon D5100 (D5500), which are only rumors. . .

08.03.2011 20:44:00
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Subscribe to the recommendations on the choice of a forthcoming Nikon D5100 (D5500), which are only rumors. . .
Funny recommendation - buy one knows when it is not known at what price.

08.03.2011 22:35:00

Then maybe you should pay particular attention to the D5000, which can still be found in Photoshop

08.03.2011 22:40:00

buys nothing

09.03.2011 11:47:00

I mean that the level of development of digital technology went ahead and digital signal processing takes place in the new SLR at a high level (at equal matrices) and buying a nikon D3100 or canon D550 you get a better processor, the ability to shoot in a more complex environment (work high ISO) and the t. d.. .
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In this branch are mostly people who are buying their first DSLR and for them it is important to the quality of the output from the camera, and it means a good matrix, good processor

Well. . . Another victim of a competent advertising. Garbage is all about the processor, although newer D3100 - Expeed Expeed 2 against 1 in D90 \\ D5000.
Well, matrix and high ISO has become almost notorious advertising analogue megapixels. Stated high ISO is not always "working". In practice, shooting at ISO 1600 noise is already such that hoo. Out of curiosity, you can search the comparison of noise at high ISO at D90 with your proposed alternatives. You can also look for what ISO is actually working and which are stuffed into the camera menu cunning marketers.

If we consider the D3100 with 18-105 universal whale, the difference in price between the D3100 and D90 will be less than 10 sput. Is it worth the money the second wheel, the upper screen, flash control, normal ergonomics, the presence of buttons to control the ISO, WB, and so on. E., Of course, you decide. Simply camera - this is not high values ​​of megapixels and ISO, and a combination of many features that make shooting easy and enjoyable.


Then maybe you should pay particular attention to the D5000, which can still be found in Photoshop
That's strange advice, t. To. Between the Nikon D5000 and Nikon D3100 is almost no difference even in the specifications. E. Now, choosing between these 2 models I would definitely chose 3100, t. To. Exactly the same, only newer "megapixel" and possibly cheaper. Nalyadnaya comparative table of specifications at the end of the page.

PS It is unlikely that Nikon5100 will top screen and the second wheel, but the price at the start, I think, will be very high.

09.03.2011 14:07:00

That's strange advice, t. To. Between the Nikon D5000 and Nikon D3100 is almost no difference even in the specifications. E. Now, choosing between these 2 models I would definitely chose 3100, t. To. Exactly the same, only newer "megapixel" and possibly cheaper.
But heard that the 5000 is still better, so the model year 2009, 12 megapixels, it certainly is not 3100, 2010, but the quality of it, though only slightly, but still superior to the matrix as it it cost the same as that for 90-m, then obviously all.


PS It is unlikely that Nikon5100 will top screen and the second wheel, but the price at the start, I think, will be very high.
Naturally, there will not be a second screen, it was placed in the 7000-th, it will be just an updated model of the 5000, probably with 16 megapixels and a 3 "folding screen.
The idea will take place between 3100 and 7000, the cost will be, I think, 25-30000, and then fall.
second wheel too, I think not, everything will be much the same as they are now in 5000-m, only 2 Expeed put and improve the quality of video, bringing to Full HD.

 

16.04.2011 12:07:00
Guys, tell me, after reading your communication, questions and answers, I understand that I can find valuable advice. I am not a photographer, although I was fond of. I'm a doctor iridologist. For several months to wrestle with what to buy to take pictures of the iris (colored membrane of the eye). Need a very a clear picture quality, for consideration with the increase on the screen, for iridology. Was about to buy the D7000, but after reading more about realized that he could not worth it to spend a lot of money, the Bole that write that while its price is too high, and the lens to it need not be a whale, and as I understand with a minimum distance sharpening and macro function. So, I will be grateful Useful tips - how to take the camera. and which lens it is necessary? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? THANK YOU

16.04.2011 12:53:00
macro lens is needed in any, at the request of the carcass.

16.04.2011 13:48:00

I would take as much as possible abrupt macro lens (high magnification) can be manual. From the lens and the system would choose. Carcass can in principle be any (speed is not important here), but I would go with Live View took, you still have to focus manually. I also think this survey is required to conduct a tripod. . .

on Sony Nex via adapters in principle from any of the lenses become. But in some cases, lost the ability to automatically control the aperture and autofocus.


16.04.2011 14:11:00

Since you for bugs in the fields do not run - you can take a macro lens with a small RF (50-60 mm). Autofocus is also not needed (the patient does not run away?). So, you can take a cheap carcass without a screwdriver (3100, for example - if you chose Nikon) and inexpensive non-motorized macro lens. Thousands of them!

16.04.2011 16:43:00
Thank you very much, something clear. And yet I would gratefully accepted more tips about selecting the device and the lens down to specific names and numbers. About NIKON think because everything is somehow more than in his praise. I will be very important and advice about the model - or ECU options to take, and what kind, or a new one, and then, too - if taking the D7000 for example, instead of 3100, I did not win anything hike as images (as still need a good lens), whereas perhaps it might be tempting to 3100 (but who can both advise that), then at least on the lens will spare the difference, and if everything is the same quality with 7000 will be better (or for example D90. or take any 300?), you probably will spread more money. me is this important? ? ? ? Advise. And just as with the lens, can someone tell me something on specific, very grateful for the advice, it is very important to me, but I would like to ask for even more extensive advice. THANK YOU! ! ! ! !

16.04.2011 17:19:00

I would take D90, but I do not care video.
may look at the new 5100? To him also goes the external microphone. A lens - 18-105 to start, and then decide. (Like money allow, once and D300 are considering - only 300s - it removes video. And 300 - no).

16.04.2011 18:25:00

Alla! A guy says that he needs to close the iris Fota! What to X any lens? ? ?


Look at this: Canon MP-E 65 mm f / 2. 8 1-5x Macro He still manual, you can at least for Canon, even with an adapter for anything. I would Sony NEX screwed if Canon does not roll.

16.04.2011 18:31:00
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Canon MP-E 65 mm f / 2. 8 1-5x Macro. . . I would Sony NEX screwed if Canon does not roll.
I'm afraid, the diaphragm will not be closed.

16.04.2011 18:35:00

possible, although this problem is solved in some adapters. I previously wrote that perhaps some or all of the functions will not work automatically. It is clear that the best way to tie it to Canon. . .

16.04.2011 18:39:00
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this problem is solved in some adapters
wonder how? There's, like, a motor diaphragm closes.

way, Minolta also have (or had) a special macro lens 1x-3x.

16.04.2011 18:48:00

problem is solved in the forehead - in the adapter has its own manual aperture.

16.04.2011 18:49:00

Yes, wrong, looked at the first post in the topic and then the first on the 2nd page.
Canon MP-E 65 mm f / 2. 8 1-5x Macro He still manual, you can at least for Canon, even with an adapter for anything. I would Sony NEX screwed if Canon does not roll
Is not it too? in the MR-E to remove all rosy, it will be necessary to make a panorama (at full zoom). I am not an eye doctor, but can macro 1: 1 will suffice?
What diameter of the iris? 2 centimeters? Just about one to one to the matrix lie.

16.04.2011 19:01:00

Well if Fota, then squeeze the most. Especially compared to other makrushnikov its price is more than acceptable. . .

16.04.2011 19:08:00

at Fota if so, then squeeze the most. Especially compared to other makrushnikov its price is more than acceptable. . .

I still think that's what (here we should know better) - Is it possible to fix the eye (iris or pupil or) to the fixed eyes to remove a number of frames to maximize the MR-E and then glue them? After all, on a scale probably will play a role in the mixing of a millimeter. Eyes it is desirable not to take out.

17.04.2011 14:01:00
Thanks guys. Write frankly, everything that you write, I really - is very important and interesting. D 90 will be considered as an option, thanks. However, as 3100.
Just Me video and it does not matter, I do plan (read about video on the camera) to take a photo for photo and video capture to take the camera apart, and no steam. Something which you thought I had sown.
But there are important, you are a little longer in the councils maximize. Let me explain. My mentor in Minsk, the candidate mednauk, removes the iris on the lens NIKON D40 18-55. He is enough, and does he simply hands, even without a tripod and without flash, as it is often at the outbreak zasvetlyaetsya part of the iris. It just keeps right on top of a flashlight apparatus, and the highlight of it enters the pupil, that is, in the place which for inspection does not matter. I certainly could do the same, but I want to move forward a bit, here is my question, will face the example in D90 or 3000, or 3100, or any other quality is better, then I'll take what better (tell me). And of course the iris, in part precisely to shoot will not, and then glue. And it may even 1: 1 to the matrix it is not necessary to lay down.
I looked description lenses on the Polish site http: // www. euro. com. pl / search / lustrzanki. bhtml? keyword = nikon% 20d7000
so there are descriptions of lenses such parameter as the minimum distance sharpening. For example, if the lens 18-105 is a distance of about 45 cm, with 18-55 is 30 cm, if the lens is 35 mm or 17-70, there already is a distance of 14 and 20 cm, respectively. But if the price of 18-55 and 18-200 lens is worth up to $ 300, 35 mm - 400 USD, 560 USD 17-70, I was not looking and did not write down the ones that cost about $ 1,000. So I wonder who can basically tell whether this will be the distance from which to shoot - 20 cm or 45 cm - be crucial to the quality, or if the lens with macro and he and the (18-105 for example with a macro from a distance 45 cm, and 17-70 with the macro distance of 20 cm), the difference will not be. Then I certainly will not take super expensive to shoot from a distance of 20 cm with 45 cm if will be approximately the same, and if the difference is significant, it will then immediately rely on big spending. Who can tell, seems to be written as I could understand.
shoot with a few centimeters, I will not, because I travel all over the country, and to create a good background lighting to enough small distance can not, so I need an option from a distance of 20-40 cm, but I can not decide whether the principle the difference between these embodiments.
And if you use more, and in everyday life for the family, of course, can perekuruchivat all time with 35 or 50, or 65 on the 18-55 or 18-105 is not quite useful for the machine. So I think maybe would have taken 35 mm macro, where you can set the sharpness to 14 cm, but then twist to family on 18-55 shooting. Or take a 17-70 or 18-55, but there is already a distance of 20-30 cm. If that does not catch up, tell me? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Canon MP-E 65 mm f / 2. 8 1-5x Macro lens is super, I looked. But it is worth $ 1,000. Just then the distance, about which I wrote - 24 cm
I looked more (it's all to Nikon) on the Polish site (above)
Sigma AF 17-70 mm f / 2, 8-4, 5 DC HSM Macro - where the distance 20 cm worth 510 dollars
Nikon AF-S DX 18-55mm f / 3, 5.5, 6 G ED II Zoom-Nikkor, length 28 cm, is worth 290 dollars
Tamron AF 18-200 mm f / 3, 5 -6, 3 XR DiII LD Aspherical IF Macro, but sdes distance of 45 cm, is worth $ 280
there is Tokina AF 35 mm f / 2, 8 AT-X M35 PRO DX Macro - there is generally a distance of 14 cm, and is worth $ 400 (if the price and distance, it generally can be the best option). Only once again tell me, maybe it's painful impact on the optics, if you constantly change the 35 to work at 18-105 for example for daily use? ? ? ? ?
So tell me. whether I thought - than taking a fixed 35 or 65 mm with a distance of 14-24 cm for 400-1000 dollars, can take a universal 17-70 mm at a distance of 20 cm at a price of $ 500? ? ? ? ?

And yet, as for the kettle, explain (then I'll make it up to read more information about this), what is a screwdriver and Live View


17.04.2011 14:50:00

what screwdriver and Live View
screwdriver (with reference to Nikon) - the ability to use lenses without the carcass inside the motor, ie. E. AF is a car, not your hands.
live twist - the possibility initialed by EVI (LCD screen) - as in the soap dish

17.04.2011 22:31:00
Thank you, I will wait for my advice on major issues

17.04.2011 22:42:00

Minimum focusing distance is not everything. And you as a physician must understand that each operation has its own instrument. NRA lens for Shtukar - there among sigmovskih glasses - specialized macro, cheaper. And on your zumah inscription macro says only that these lenses minimum focusing distance of less than similar, but they are not specialized. Their (special makriki) can hang on any system. And take a camera 3 years ago I would not under any circumstances.

17.04.2011 23:14:00

have the Nikon 18-55 whale pretty good macro. Not 1: 1, of course, but maybe 1: 3 and sharpness is good.
matter from what distance the lens is focused. The main thing - as with this minimum distance is in the frame. E., Critical angle of lens.
18-55 I do not have now, but, for example, 35/1, 8 - in the frame is placed about 13-15 cm. Not less. MDF = somewhere 30 cm, the angle of view on the wide - that's the result - no macro .
Sigma AF 17-70 mm f / 2, 8-4, 5 DC HSM Macro. Almost all the Sigma is the inscription macro. But often it is not 1: 1 and 1: 2 or 1: 3. You may be sufficient.

That is, take a ruler and photograph it with a minimum distance. The less fit centimeters - the better makrovozmozhnosti lens. And there already decide you have enough of this or a little.

Regarding D40. There 6 M, and new chambers 12, 14 and more. I think, and information on the image you get more. Yes
and macro lenses are very sharp. Either way will be sharper 18-55.
And of MDF. You, IMHO, it is not so important. The patient will not run away (it is not a grasshopper) if you are to his face to 5cm lens podnesete. And lighting can be diffused some flashlight through a piece of paper to organize.
way distance is usually not considered to be from the lens, and the matrix. So, 30 cm from the die 15 is easily converted from the lens.
Somehow.

17.04.2011 23:20:00
I would also like to foteg kit + lens ring makrovspyshku added. This type http: // www. macroflash. ru / way link just have a photo of the iris.

17.04.2011 23:23:00

added makrovspyshku ring.
way, yes. Also an option.
I read good reviews about this http: // www. fotoplus. su / catalog / item? id = 1410
But the price is a little different.

17.04.2011 23:47:00



way link just have a photo of the iris.

Only there does not ring flash to take a picture.

And keep in mind, the flash should be calculated on your camera, you can not buy what anyhow.

18.04.2011 2:22:00
Please help with a choice: Nikon D3100 Kit (18-105 VR) (848 in. E.) Vs Nikon D5000 Kit (18-105 VR) (855 in. E.).
need versatile entry-level machine for free. Does it make sense from the beginning to take the 18-105 lens, rather than 18-55? Thank U.
 

18.04.2011 2:56:00
I would advise to consider options with Sony or Nikon, but the matrix Sony - thing! A lens can be any, but with as large a first lens and the macrocycle with contacts (chipovanoe)
guided by your colleague, consider the Nikon D40X-cheap and cheerful.

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Nikon D3100 Kit (18-105 VR) (848 in. E.) Vs Nikon D5000 Kit (18-105 VR) (855 in. E.).
vote for 3100 with a 18-105 lens.
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