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14.06.2010 22:35:00
The lens is the only sigma 50 with B + W
'll shoot amateur, mostly people familiar, well, maybe a little nature. which may trickle etc. to play well in general
choose tired at first thought Mark 2 but there is a lot of pixels and autofocus points and small, but there is 1080p. then thought D700 but it's a little outdated and that the replacement is coming to wait and wait. heard about the Sony a900 divided opinion like advise then immediately scolded. . thought even d3s but give 170kr per carcass with 720 videos sorry, it would be bought in 1080. .

video is desirable but not essential, too big, too ISO probably do not need to read about Colva megapixels that 12 ordinary people for the eyes if not so correct in principle and agree to 20-24 if justified, but the noise did not want

would like to buy good quality pictures vesh to receive, beautiful (the level of a novice with a magic button , advise on what is necessary to stop your eyes now and what you can pay attention to in the near future
 

14.06.2010 23:03:00
Comrades, something I did not understand, why the author FF? . .

14.06.2010 23:04:00
All this is if you shoot at ISO 100. . 400, your choice - SONY A850. But there is absolutely no video.

14.06.2010 23:08:00

Comrades, something I did not understand, why the author FF? . .

photograph.


you will approach any modern full-frame camera. For the rest, see. Nikon D5000 or Canon EOS 550D (earlier - Nikon D5000 & amp; Canon EOS 500D), # 130

14.06.2010 23:18:00
What is the advantage of FF in those conditions in which the author will take pictures? Well, except for showing off, of course.

PS By the way, too, would like to advise A850

14.06.2010 23:44:00

first thought Mark 2 but there is a lot of pixels and autofocus and a few points, but there is 1080p. then thought D700 but it's a little outdated and that the replacement is coming to wait and wait. heard about the Sony a900 divided opinion like advise then immediately scolded
IMHO you now pay attention to some features that are actually in your case no matter what is not particularly affected. . .
What have nickle with autofocus? You're going to shoot a dynamic sport?
D700 outdated? He removes it worse can it? People won the first pyataks removed and everything is fine.
Want to replenish a sect zhdunov and become a victim of marketing? Well, all in your hands. And where who knows what the camera would be best for you? Go to their touch, so if you can not choose. . .

15.06.2010 0:19:00
Peyzazhiki-shoot streams take any, but certainly in the hands of every hold for as for me it all in the hands of a different play.
If you need something more bright autofocus D700, except for the lack of video, it will be more relevant oooooochen long.

NASA selects D3s http: // www. dpreview. com / news / 1006 / 10061402nikoniss. asp


15.06.2010 0:54:00

Oh yeah, I forgot the main thing. The answer to your question - Nikon D700.

15.06.2010 2:43:00
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NASA selects D3s http: // www. dpreview. com / news / 1006 / 10061402nikoniss. asp
Actually, not NASA and Russia. Read carefully

15.06.2010 6:43:00


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Take new so cheap.

15.06.2010 10:55:00
if you do not take into account battery packs memory card convenience and price, etc. pay attention to the stuffing and photo quality (matrix viewfinder AF, etc.) how much better d3s D700? And how much d700s will be better? Worse D700? Well, at the same time compare skorovyhodyaschy D500 bd ff ful with D700 in terms of photo.

15.06.2010 11:21:00

I think that since you are comparing with the D3s D700, then take that to have enough money. the more expensive the better the quality of the photo, that's all.
Well, here's another consideration:
- buying a particular model, you'll never know, made a mistake with the choice or not. because there is always a photographer who photographs other than you, the device model is better than you.
know whether an error occurred in the selection of only one way: from my experience.
once you have the money for D3s - buy with this money a couple of devices - such as D700 and A850.

questions how d3s better D700? have no quantitative answers, such as "the best ten". even the value of "better" is undefined. for example, what is better - less noise, but less accurate color in the chamber "1", more accurate color, but more noise in the chamber "2" or both of them a little in the chamber "3"?

16.06.2010 13:01:00
Why be afraid of pixels on the FF?

here we take a cheap APS-C, where the matrix size 24x16mm = 384mm ^ 2. say 12 megapixels. like quite pretty well, not really interfere megapixels, on the contrary. . .

now take FF. where the matrix size 36x24mm = 864mm ^ 2, that is an area of ​​2. 25 times more.

so why ff matrix must have the same number of megapixels at 1. 5 CROP? for the same image quality and sharpness, as cheap APS-C, on the FF must be at least 27 megapixels.

16.06.2010 13:24:00

for the same image quality and sharpness, as cheap APS-C
t. E. The more megapixel on FF so we are closer to the picture quality cheap kropnutyh DSLRs?

16.06.2010 16:30:00

t. E. The more megapixel on FF so we are closer to the picture quality cheap kropnutyh DSLRs?
Yeah, definitely closer to noise.


why fear of pixels on the FP?
And why do they need? Place on a flash drive and screws to hold?

16.06.2010 17:31:00
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t. E. The more megapixel on FF so we are closer to the picture quality cheap kropnutyh DSLRs?
Yeah, definitely closer to noise.
to deal with noise, increasing pixel - still something to fight baldness, was beheaded.
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why fear of pixels on the FP?
And why do they need? Place on a flash drive and screws to hold?
can then better not to take - place on a flash drive to save.

16.06.2010 18:17:00
think about the size of the space on the flash drive, etc. will still be people to buy from the carcass 70KR but not all at the same noises and the quality of the photo. Now in 2010 and played with the video on the open hole free it will be interesting to many. I now want to shoot without pyhi and evening and a light bulb and so on. . IMHO obtained only nikon people person. Well have to either take or d3s enroll in zhduny. Head suggests that it is better to wait maybe, not now rules fotikof meet all requirements. Imho

16.06.2010 18:22:00

Very funny:
choose a sigma 50 with B + W full frame camera.
Under Your tasks:
'll shoot amateur, mostly people familiar, well, maybe a little nature. which may trickle etc. to play well in general
video desirable but not essential, too big, too ISO probably do not need
enough and "kropnutyh" camera Canon 500D or 550D with 17-55 / 2. 8.

16.06.2010 18:25:00
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to deal with noise, increasing pixel - still something to fight baldness, was beheaded.
frankly, stupid and inappropriate anologii. The pixel size is truly one of the most important factors affecting the noise.

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can then better not to take - place on a flash drive to save.
Again cringe. Personally, I quite good enough 8. . 10 megapixels. Enough for printing on A3 and pixel viewing on your computer.

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I now want to shoot without pyhi and evening and a light bulb and so on. . IMHO obtained only nikon people person. Well have to either take or d3s enroll in zhduny.
And what prevents think about D700, Nikon like and if the budget allows?

16.06.2010 18:39:00
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to deal with noise, increasing pixel - still something to fight baldness, was beheaded.
frankly, stupid and inappropriate anologii. The pixel size is truly one of the most important factors affecting the noise.
but equal number of data points per unit area does not decrease with a decrease in pixel size. that is, if you take a picture 24 megapixel or resayznut it to 12Mpiks, the noise reduced and remain approximately like 12Mpiks matrix.

but in the case of 24 megapixels, under good lighting conditions, will be captured more information because of the improved resolution.

16.06.2010 18:49:00
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but all things being equal amount of information per unit area does not decrease with decreasing pixel size. that is, if you take a picture 24 megapixel or resayznut it to 12Mpiks, the noise reduced and remain approximately like 12Mpiks matrix.
controversial issue, but let's say that this is so.

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but in the case of 24 megapixels, under good lighting conditions, will be captured more information because of the improved resolution.
key question - what for and why? To print pictures meter on? To read a blade of grass "on the horizon" with per-pixel viewing? not all need it, and to me and does not need it. I prefer an extra margin of dynamic range, which does not resize to receive and which is relevant in any light.

16.06.2010 18:56:00

Judging by the "life-affirming" top pro lens, you set very seriously
What difference on what this sigma will stand? And why is it? Pick up the camera for a mediocre piece of glass? At least it sounds strange: "And do not buy, if I sigma Nikon's top-end carcass?"

16.06.2010 20:29:00
By the way, the Review photo zone Sigma 50/1. 4 pulls 24 megapixel, Nikkor 50/1. 4G on the field by the field better. Sigma is good for far bokeh, and before the focus area m. B. not really.

16.06.2010 20:29:00
Vibiraem sigma 50 1 4 to start, compared it with the Nikon 50 1. 4. thank someone on the forum link given (theme fixes for Nikon FF on mine) for a detailed comparison, so I circles Nikon did not really like but classically sigma washes nicely IMHO. can komuto * * glamorous circles and soul but I'm not. If you say that sigma glass not very prividitsya other 50ki Cator better. Then maybe there will be other fixes but about sigma read Pts good reviews and pictures seen. And the fact that a lot of money to pay for the carcass and then throw and buy another. . Sew ush once good

16.06.2010 21:12:00
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vibiraem sigma 50 1 4 to start, compared it with the Nikon 1 50 4
What is "Nikon 1 50 4" - 50/1. 4D? 50/1. 4G?
However, if the main thing - bokeh, and everything else - no matter what may really sigmovsky fifty dollars - the best choice.

16.06.2010 22:01:00
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vibiraem sigma 50 1 4 to start, compared it with the Nikon 1 50 4
What is "Nikon 1 50 4" - 50/1. 4D? 50/1. 4G?
However, if the main thing - bokeh, and everything else - no matter what may really sigmovsky fifty dollars - the best choice.
For Nikon, incidentally, Voigtlander Nokton doing 58/1. 4 is quite a inexpensive. AI-S, that is, measurement and skipping rope will work, and all sorts of interesting bokeh should be.
 

17.06.2010 4:32:00

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if you take a picture 24 megapixel or resayznut it to 12Mpiks, the noise reduced and remain approximately like 12Mpiks matrix.

Nichegozh not worth it to try and take, I have no example of noise reduction resize with 18mp (the original image with the crop 550d 1. 6 iso250) to 12MP (compared with d5000 crop 1. 5) did not work. In addition, the noise is not per-pixel 550d, and large blur, that is possible will resize, but 2-4mp, 18 12MP noise is not visually reduced or per gram.

17.06.2010 6:14:00
Selection of fifty dollars on a full frame as the sole objective here that is strange. For example
portrait weak suit. Better then something about 85 mm and a pair of high-quality zooms simpler (Shirikov and telephoto)

17.06.2010 7:08:00

Choice fifty dollars on a full frame as a single lens, strange
50 mm - this is just fine. In the years of stagnation-lovers nefanaty bought zenith E / ET with Industar 50-2 (50 mm) or Helios-44 (58 mm) and nothing else. And on the "change" in general was 40mm.

17.06.2010 7:19:00

Choice fifty dollars on a full frame as the only objective here is strange.
Very strange theory. What poltosu for a portrait bad?
http: // fotkidepo. ru /? id = photo: 295312

Better then something about 85 mm and a pair of high-quality zooms simpler (Shirikov and telephoto)
trunk and pull the lens? Then it's better just adyn 24-85 / 2, 8-4. for all occasions.


However, if the main thing - bokeh, and everything else - no matter what may really sigmovsky fifty dollars - the best choice.
And any criterion sigma best choice. In addition to shooting landscapes at f / 8 except that.

17.06.2010 7:49:00
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Very strange theory. What poltosu for a portrait bad?
http: // fotkidepo. ru /? id = photo: 295312

you are not in the picture close-up portraits, for it goes to 50 mm.
50 mm small for close-up portraits, for children must be 135 mm otherwise distortion, which is not visible until you compare the next 2 shots.

17.06.2010 9:44:00
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if you take a picture 24 megapixel or resayznut it to 12Mpiks, the noise reduced and remain approximately like 12Mpiks matrix.
Nichegozh not worth it to try and take, I have no example of noise reduction resize with 18mp (the original image with the crop 550d 1. 6 iso250) to 12MP (compared with d5000 crop 1. 5) did not work. In addition, the noise is not per-pixel 550d, and large blur, that is possible will resize, but 2-4mp, 18 12MP noise is not visually reduced or per gram.

Well, I wrote - other things being equal. hardly ff matrix made of the same stuff as the matrix 550d

addition, if you use the normal squelch such TDN4, the items are well preserved, but with little loss of optical resolution - which will not result if resayznut t. To. at reduced resolution matrix those details would not be seen, and no noise.

17.06.2010 9:56:00
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However, if the main thing - bokeh, and everything else - no matter what may really sigmovsky fifty dollars - the best choice.
And any criterion sigma best choice. In addition to shooting landscapes at f / 8 except that.
. . . and in addition to other situations where critical sharpness at the edges So it turns out - the best, but not quite.

17.06.2010 9:58:00
Well, ok, here's quite a pretty picture, do I resize least in 2MP, but so that the noise down? I just tried laytrum - did not have 100% noise reduction - it's iso200 1/50 1. 8! In Photoshop enough noise reduction, but fit in the display size of 1920x1080, just visible noise at bakgraunde as to noise reduction, indicating that the broadband noise (in the frequency domain is referred to as "white" noise)

17.06.2010 11:48:00
Where
picture something?

17.06.2010 12:00:00

For Nikon, incidentally, Voigtlander Nokton doing 58/1. 4 is quite a inexpensive. AI-S, that is, measurement and skipping rope will work, and all sorts of interesting bokeh should be.

Yes, there was the Sigma 50, is to enter 58/1, 4. Voytlander interesting for me on the picture, and the fact that there is no AF -for my D700 problem in general is not. Sigma sold. . Although the lens of the same good

17.06.2010 13:01:00
Let's also a Zeiss poobsuzhdat silver coins.

17.06.2010 13:41:00
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Let's also a Zeiss poobsuzhdat silver coins.
expensive Zeiss and Voigtlander stands at 50/1 native engine. 4.

17.06.2010 14:20:00

you are not in the picture close-up portraits, for it goes to 50 mm.
And krupnoplanovo enough?
http: // fotkidepo. ru /? id = photo: 318756

which is not visible until you compare the next 2 shots.
And if you can not see, what nafig difference?


. . and in addition to other situations where critical sharpness at the edges So it turns out - the best, but not quite.
is necessary to specify - in the corners, namely, that all of the edges of the circle inscribed in the frame. Specially
sharilsya on their images and have not found anywhere angles anything meant. And all because the large aperture fixes taken not to shoot at f / 8-16.


17.06.2010 15:06:00
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It should clarify - in the corners, namely, that all of the edges of the circle inscribed in the frame. Sharilsya specifically for your pictures and have not found anywhere angles anything meant. And all because the large aperture fixes taken not to shoot at f / 8-16.
So after not too pressed apertures in the corners will be even worse than f / 8-16. A portrait photography - is not the only use for the high-luminosity fixes.

17.06.2010 15:16:00

So after not too pressed apertures in the corners will be even worse than f / 8-16.
wide open angles, in most cases, do not mean anything - there is still bokeh.

A portrait shots - not only for the use of high-luminosity fixes.
Well - Street in the evening - continuous open.

17.06.2010 15:31:00
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wide open angles, in most cases, do not mean anything - there is still bokeh.
kakzhe A "Street in the evening?" And if the street is the "vast majority of cases"?
In my opinion, it is pointless to argue that it is better bokeh or corners. Both can be equally important in different situations. So it is not clear to talk about the superiority of any lens was only one sign.

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Well - Street in the evening - continuous open.
or so. Looked offhand their evening pictures - sharpness in the corners just is not superfluous.

17.06.2010 15:48:00

kakzhe A "Street in the evening?" And if the street is the "vast majority of cases"?
wide open - what nafig corners?

Both can be equally important in different situations.
Angles are important for the landscape with closed holes. On the open corners it still does not - they are corny DOF is, in most cases.

looked offhand their evening pictures - sharpness in the corners just is not superfluous.
vague idea of ​​what you are shooting.

17.06.2010 16:24:00
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wide open - what nafig corners?
Hint: In the open aperture and f / 8-16 there are a whole bunch of values. Why it all comes down to the two extremes?

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Both can be equally important in different situations.
Angles are important for the landscape with closed holes. On the open corners it still does not - they are corny DOF is, in most cases.
Well, it means a sufficient number of night shots does not apply to "the vast majority of cases." For example, 1 , 2 . Both - fifty dollars, f4.

17.06.2010 16:35:00
sorry, forgot the link, although the picture is quite typical
http: // fotkidepo. ru /? id = photo: 485904

17.06.2010 16:39:00

between open aperture and f / 8-16 there are a whole bunch of values. Why it all comes down to the two extremes?
1. So open up to f / 2. 8 sigma better to f / 4 +/- parity, but uniformity in Nikon better.
2. Because the fixes takes large aperture for shooting in the open, and only when there is nothing else, and it is necessary to remove the landscape removed on closed.

For example, 1, 2. Both - fifty dollars, f4.
Well, what value the corners of the image data have? Black sky with increased accuracy to look at?
A sigma at f / 2-2, 8 will remove with the same sharpness significant object in the center of the frame, to an even greater darkness.

17.06.2010 17:23:00
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1. So open up to f / 2. 8 sigma better to f / 4 +/- parity, but uniformity in Nikon better.
Not all open, however.

taken from the review on dpreview, left - nikkor 50/1. 4G, right - sigma 50/1. 4, both full-frame cameras for pictures, f2. 0

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2. Because the fixes takes large aperture for shooting in the open, and only when there is nothing else, and it is necessary to remove the landscape removed on closed.
Imagine the situation: in the bag - the budget and dark zoom and aperture fixed. You think for landscapes I will wear zoom?
In general, I would not be so categorical about the purposes for which fixes take.

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Well, what value the corners of the image data have? Black sky with increased accuracy to look at?
Sky - above, the objects on the ground - at the bottom

17.06.2010 17:25:00

expensive Zeiss and Voigtlander stands at 50/1 native engine. 4.

At the same time voytlanderov interesting figure than in Zeitz. In Zeitz distagonov line is good, and then to the DF me more NRA voytlander

17.06.2010 17:54:00

Not all open, however.
Duc I know these tests. Adjusted for sigma megapixels still slightly ahead. Well, there are other values ​​too, 2. 2-2, 5 for example.
Although these tests are of course nothing. t. To. instance instance strife. I have such a sharp jump at f / 1. 6 with respect to f / 1. 4 is observed, and in their copy of this close and not.

Sky - above, the objects on the ground - at the bottom
So - here in more detail where necessary sharpness on an empty black sky?
and black pavement outside the depth of field?
 

17.06.2010 18:40:00
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Duc I know these tests. Adjusted for sigma megapixels still slightly ahead. Well, there are other values ​​too, 2. 2-2, 5 for example.
Although these tests are of course nothing. t. To. instance instance strife. I have such a sharp jump at f / 1. 6 with respect to f / 1. 4 is observed, and in their copy of this close and not.
never know. Maybe in other instances the Nikon fifty dollars, too, something jumps there. And, by the way, 12MP D700 / D3 / D3s is still unknown, what is more important - the excess of sharpness in the center (which, of course, is useful in the same D3x) or better uniformity characteristics over the entire area of ​​the frame.

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So - here in more detail where necessary sharpness on an empty black sky? and on the black pavement outside the depth of field?
In order to shift the discussion in a more constructive direction. . . How do you say - "all that beyond the edges of the circle inscribed in the frame"? Here frame with excision circle , which I quoted earlier as an example . Judge for yourself how much of the sky here, asphalt and everything else, it is important whether the sharpness of the fact that the circle is not horrible. . .
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