Help me choose a carcass and a portrait

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05.05.2010 12:25:00
good people, help choose the carcass and portretnik
I need here are the pictures http: // www. pbase. com / image / 61310682
I His mind on Olympus Zuiko 50mm f / 2. 0 Digital ED Macro and I would buy it without looking, if not for the price
I never holding a SLR. Now photograph on a bar of soap and a half days later edit photos in Photoshop. the problem is that I fotkayu child, and he has a habit of sitting on the heap of crumpled linen background or even some unpresentable garbage. in general, I really need to blur the background. this requirement to the lens

requirement to the body: it must fotografitrovat faster than PUPS time to jump out of the frame or pull the plug so that the hand is printed on the entire picture from top to bottom

now in my budget to fit Nikon D3000 + 18-105 and Olympus E-520 + 14-42 (sorry if that beguiled with numbers). because I liked the pictures with hefty olimpusovskim lens, I would buy Olympus and, in fact, tend to him in the hope that someday buy the best portrait lens, but "someday" - is at least six months. as the child grows. in connection with the question, if I can do kit lens pictures even vaguely resembling portretnik? and Nikon kit lens? I am full of tea in this case. I see only that the Nikon kit lens focal length of 50 mm is covered, and olimpusovskom not. it confuses me. being full of tea, for some reason I decided that if zooms the lens set to 50 mm, the result may look like a portrait lens. I not right?

and still learning this forum, I found that in nature there are some cheap lenses. if you choose portretnik among them, what is better to take the carcass? at Olympus like stub in the carcass, while Nikon's not.

one word, advise, pliz, carcass and portretnik within reason. may have some canona or nikona carcass expensive, but cheaper lenses will? help, and then I finally got confused
 

05.05.2010 12:38:00

if long nothing to explain briefly - take Canon 550 + 50/1. 4 or 85/1. 8. (first - for rooms, the second - to the street).

05.05.2010 12:46:00
ummm. . . Well, if I had the opportunity now to spend 800 euros (I live in Europe), then I would buy Olympus 520 plovers 50 mm and would be perfectly happy. and you offer me only one carcass for the money understandable, of course, that as a rule, the more expensive the better, but because the budget is not rubber. buy more, I hope I will, but not now. and now I want to take pictures

05.05.2010 12:54:00

sorry did not understand - what exactly you limit the money?
simply photographing children in the room - not a trivial task, even for DSLRs. nothing against Plover without, I note that the 2. 0 and 1. 4 - a big difference. Well, the matrix loses Canon.
if cheaper - look at the Nikon D5000 (not 3000!) + Anything. . I do not know. may Sigma 50/1. 4.

05.05.2010 13:03:00

This album was filmed on a cheap Nikon D40 with 18-135 lens, but there later SB600 flash added.
you a little technical part of the pull, and that the terms of porridge out. Do you want to blur the background and frozen hand without blurring of the entire frame, but this requires a high-aperture optics, and it costs money. Olympus 50mm to 100mm are in fact due to the small size of the matrix.

05.05.2010 13:08:00
Now available 400 euros. others will be in six months, so it may still something vyproshu. but as long as necessary to fit (+/-) in this amount, ie. a. the child begins to walk, and it is more than a significant event that one can not even take pictures
trick is that in our apartment chic daylight, t. To . window from floor to ceiling in the entire width of the room (ie. e. almost for walls) and even on cloudy days on the soap dish pictures obtained are the same as on the street. although it may be just such a soap dish (panasonic dmc-tz3)

05.05.2010 13:11:00
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if long nothing to explain briefly - take Canon 550 + 50/1. 4 or 85/1. 8. (first - for rooms, the second - to the street).
going to take 550D with Kit + buy fixed-portrait lens.
5 years possess advanced tsifromylom Canon G5. It focal 7-28, m. E., Based on the obtained 35mm 35 - 140 mm. Noticed that all the portraits (face, torso, children) rented at maximum zoom. Does this mean that I can not take thinking 85 1. 8?

05.05.2010 13:15:00
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you a little technical part of the pull, and that the terms of porridge out. Do you want to blur the background and frozen hand without blurring of the entire frame, but this requires a high-aperture optics, and it costs money. Olympus 50mm to 100mm are in fact due to the small size of the matrix.

yes I would love to. I try my best, but with a small child is not much time.
and hand me without blurring is not needed. I need time to sfotkat before hand with some igruhoy begin flying in front of his nose. soapbox now this can not cope. until it zazhuzhzhit there, in the frame is quite not what was planned.
about aperture optics I already knew. eventually hope to acquire. I now need a set of minimum
but that's about 50 and 100 mm did not understand (I wrote that the kettle). I just stared pictures in the database, and realized that I like almost all the pictures from the plovers 50 mm, and therefore began to dream about this lens. and the value of numbers for me was and remains a mystery

05.05.2010 13:21:00

Younger carcass Canon and fifty dollars cheapest 50 1. 8 to start - no cheaper option, and the output is what:
http: // fotkidepo. ru /? id = photo: 288834
http: // fotkidepo. ru /? id = photo: 448173

and then move on. . . and analogue Olympus 50mm to 85mm Canon is 1. 8: http: // www. flickr. com / search /? w = all & amp; q = canon + 85mm ...% 2F1. 8 & amp; m = text

05.05.2010 13:31:00
thank you. just have a younger bird canon? 450?

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and then move on. . . and analogue Olympus 50mm to 85mm Canon is 1. 8: http: // www. flickr. com / search /? w = all & amp; q = canon + 85mm ...% 2F1. 8 & amp; m = text
you seen joking lens for nearly 2,000 evaro
I looked at this miracle, saliva has expired and I thought, maybe, after all, better to Olympus. still 4 times cheaper

05.05.2010 13:38:00
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if long nothing to explain briefly - take Canon 550 + 50/1. 4 or 85/1. 8. (first - for rooms, the second - to the street).
going to take 550D with Kit + buy fixed-portrait lens.
5 years possess advanced tsifromylom Canon G5. It focal 7-28, m. E., Based on the obtained 35mm 35 - 140 mm. Noticed that all the portraits (face, torso, children) rented at maximum zoom. Does this mean that I can not take thinking 85 1. 8?

shooting apparently still on the street, then probably the best 85. I note that there are portraits of optimal focus, "on" - is not always better in terms of transmission capacity (prospects) - but it is better in terms of "stealth", obtained more authentic pictures.

05.05.2010 13:40:00

& gt; lens for nearly 2,000 evaro

2kilo euro? Where such prices I own 85/1. 8 selling you with 85/1. 2L is not confused?

05.05.2010 13:43:00

I like almost all the pictures from the plovers 50mm
Then take Olik to 14-42, but the most appealing plovers 50/2 acquiring the later.

05.05.2010 13:44:00

Take Sony, anything from entry level ( A330 ) and new 50/1. 8 . For the first time enough, and there is much to grow. Olympus, IMHO, is a dead end.

http: // sp. sony-europe. com / media / 139/69448

http: // sp. sony-europe. com / media / 140/69584

05.05.2010 13:52:00
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, thank you. just have a younger bird canon? 450?
Well, at least
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you seen joking lens for nearly 2,000 evaro

he price of 350-400 euros maximum http: // www. pleer. ru / _11081. html

05.05.2010 13:57:00

IMHO, 85th in the 450 is too narrow. For 136mm apartment bullet out, even little kids did not really take off.

05.05.2010 14:00:00

now available 400 euros. others will be in six months, so it may still something vyproshu. but as long as necessary to fit (+/-) in this amount, ie. a. the child begins to walk, and it is more than a significant event that one can not take pictures

for this amount, I'm afraid such http: // www. pbase. com / image / 61310682 pictures with the condition "fotografitrovat faster than PUPS time to jump out of the frame or pull the plug so that the hand is printed on the entire picture from top to bottom," you will not be able to remove. reduced picture is very good, and theoretically, this tool can be removed and cheaper (the cheapest SLR with the cheapest 50/1, 8), but in practice, if you "teapot", it is unlikely you'll get.

more expensive camera probability of success more - the more expensive cameras react faster (faster suggest the focus and take pictures faster), increasing your chances of success.
think for stable reception gallery, such Present your http: // www. pbase. com / image / 61310682 , the budget should be increased at least three or four times.

05.05.2010 14:12:00
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IMHO, 85th in the 450 is too narrow. For 136mm apartment bullet out, even little kids did not really take off.
In the examples the author's topic and 50mm on the street sprinkled x2 is just 100mm

05.05.2010 14:18:00
Well
100 and 136 are also two big differences, even for the street.

05.05.2010 14:23:00
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requirement to the body: it must fotografitrovat faster than PUPS time to jump out of the frame or pull the plug so that the hand is printed on the entire picture from top to bottom

now in my budget to fit Nikon D3000 + 18- 105 and Olympus E-520 + 14-42. . . in a word, advise, pliz, carcass and portretnik within reason. may have some canona or nikona carcass expensive, but cheaper lenses will? help, and then I finally got confused

Let me give a "non-traditional" advice - take any of the KIT "s that fits in your hand and who have enough money. Quality (Speed ​​Focus + blur) will be higher than in the soap dish. The child grows and memorable moments go "perfect" optics (if you wish to remain) to buy in addition, when there will be money. While clicking toddler Fix, in my opinion, a dubious pleasure.

From this couple personally I would take Nikon (at Olympus matrix is ​​less) You can even ask the price of D5000 and Canon (450, 500, 550 models).

Good luck,

05.05.2010 14:25:00

way, likbezets.

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I need to blur the background.
Self-other, and still would be nice to read about the depth of field and bokeh.

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requirement to the body: it must fotografitrovat faster than PUPS time to jump out of the frame or pull the plug so that the hand is printed on the entire picture from top to bottom
This requires a fast shutter speed. Is achieved by the presence of light, flash, high-aperture optics, high values ​​ISO.
Actually, from the carcass is practically independent. The only thing you can shoot a series.

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ecause I liked the pictures with hefty olimpusovskim lens, I would buy Olympus and, in fact, tend to him in the hope that someday buy this very portretnik
I do not want to upset you, but Olympus Zuiko 50mm f / 2. 0 Digital ED Macro never portretnik.

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if I do kit lens pictures even vaguely resembling portretnik?
can. But I think you kakioe something wrong notion of investing in "portrait lens."

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being full of tea, for some reason I decided that if zooms the lens set to 50 mm, the result may look like a portrait lens. I not right?
And why did you decide that the 50mm optics = portretnik?

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and still learning this forum, I found that in nature there are some cheap lenses. if you choose portretnik among them, what is better to take the carcass? at Olympus like stub in the carcass, while Nikon's not.
Stab in the carcass is definitely a plus if there is no money for staboptiku.

05.05.2010 14:30:00
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& gt; lens for nearly 2,000 evaro

2kilo euro? Where such prices I own 85/1. 8 selling you with 85/1. 2L is not confused?
phew, just beguiled. much relieved
in this context, the Council Dimka becoming more convincing outline

Only I do not quite understand why Olympus deadlock? ? ?
and another in Canon 450 is the stabilizer?

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And why did you decide that the 50mm optics = portretnik?
well, so I'm told the good people
myself I would never have guessed
but I do not really care how it's called. would only result was
and educational program for the thanks.

if even explain how important the size of the matrix, the prices you will not

05.05.2010 14:36:00

Younger carcass Canon and fifty dollars cheapest 50 1. 8 to start
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why Olympus deadlock? ? ?
Olympus have many additional accessories (obektv, flash) firstly expensive and secondly considerably more difficult to find on the market (compared to Canon and Nikon).

I think the choice is clear: the younger bird Canon IP version China + 50/1, 8. Nikon drops out due to lack of a screwdriver, and Olipus Sony because of cost and "deficit" extra. accessories. There is Pentax, he he, IMHO, quite well only in terms of the use of manual glass.


05.05.2010 14:45:00

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well, so I'm told the good people
Well, it's not quite right. Portrait optics originally designed as a portrait. And it is here Olympus Macro poltosu not get. Perspective plays an important role. Yes 50mm sprinkled on a budget version of the "portrait lens", as it turns close to portrait focal length and no one can say that the glass is impossible to take a portrait, you can. But he portretnik from it will not.

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but I do not really care how it's called. would only result was
Here. Your task is to shoot toddler? This requires aperture optics or flash. A portrait lens or not, you have to decide. Fix only means that you have zoomed down.

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if even explain how important the size of the matrix, the prices you will not
Here here podrobnenko.
But if in a nutshell, you have to know that-film frame 24 × 36mm conditionally accepted for yedinichku. Accordingly, the smaller the value of this matrix, the more crop factor . Respectively - a large matrix of fine, small - badly.

05.05.2010 14:55:00

here already have a theme for photographing children. . . look. . .

05.05.2010 15:00:00

now available 400 euros.
30d on eBay and 50/1. 8. rayone 400 euros just happens.
 

05.05.2010 15:14:00


See your prices set Nikon D3000 or D5000 with lens AF-S 35 1 8
Moscow D5000 with it costs 26 thousand. Rubles. , You probably cheaper per.

This glass is the most it for filming the whole child in a room with blur background.

And built-in flash, if any, need to - put a little white one-off plastic cup of coffee
Cheap Zuma at room distances you will not blur.

05.05.2010 15:54:00

thing it is to shoot the whole child in a room with blur background
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05.05.2010 16:01:00


And anything that kilorubley 26 is 650 euros and 400 nifiga not?

05.05.2010 16:13:00
as rightly pointed out here - cheap zooms to good indoor distances blur will not give.

If you need to "vhlam" - that it requires a hole 2 and more.

Brand - plays no special role. Any brand value good technique is quite high.

For olimpusovskoy system native fixe - Zuika 50/2 (and do not listen to that, they say that "the prospect of another" - I am sure that no one can not distinguish from the perspective of the plovers Kanonovskogo fifty dollars). In addition, there is the Sigma 50/1, 30/1 and 4, 4. And yet - Lake 25/1, 4 (although the price godless).

At Canon and Nikon - have their good lenses with similar focal. . .

05.05.2010 16:16:00
And I still think that Alfa A330 with new Stabia and 50/1. 8 SAM is optimum. Everything is new and in the area of ​​400 euros.

05.05.2010 16:16:00

And anything that kilorubley 26 is 650 euros and 400 nifiga not?
Nikon D3000 with lens AF-S 35 1 8 proposed for http: // www. amazon. com are +/- 425 euros.

05.05.2010 16:25:00

looking DSLRs initial sales of the previous generation. Nikon D40 can take 200 bucks to remain nikkor AFS 30/1. 8 and the stick. By Canan also something to take from 400D and 50/1. 8.

05.05.2010 16:48:00
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I think the choice is clear: the younger bird Canon IP version China + 50/1, 8. Nikon drops out due to lack of a screwdriver
Oh, and what IP version whale? a screwdriver? sorry for the stupid questions I would have asked Yandex, but by claims that a screwdriver unscrew any screws

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now available 400 euros.
30d on eBay and 50/1. 8. rayone 400 euros just happens.
uh. . . and the company, then what. I'm on such scraps I can not guess what it was about. you forgive teapot

05.05.2010 16:52:00

05.05.2010 16:59:00
ndya, 400 in Europe - it's like mulberries 5-10 sput. , Despite what "Europe". . . In Italy (on computer) to almost any price Moscow add 20-30%, Sweden even talk about scary

For these purposes, for 400 euros in Moscow - is b / y in good condition (Nikon) D70 + 50/1. 4 (or 85/1. 8), almost the very bottom, but certainly not the soap box to compare. . .
And so to dityu not "dilute" the ear and nose (with a tip for instance the eyelashes), is close to the hole vsetki 5. 6-8. . . pyhu nadot. . . More is 400 evrov.

or mylnichku Canon G7 | G9 - Optics right there, as it is necessary to dilute the average focus. . . (On the long - mylnovat), but to think will be a little longer ((

Pro "dead end" Olipusa - join, at this stage (with the apparent cheapness start) very expensive "cow" without express or implied, to say the least benefits...

05.05.2010 17:20:00
Olympus do not have any "dead-end". Lenses and so is practically under all needs.
IMHO, the "deadlock" occurs because the thickness of the purse in the first place. Secondly put inside "toad".

05.05.2010 17:23:00
something I'm confused
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Younger carcass Canon and fifty dollars cheapest 50 1. 8 to start - no cheaper option
suppose I take with me. . . n 450
question or take a whale carcass? if a whale, what?
cheap polinnik is also canon?

and more. I'm here with someone filing thought that non-native type lenses Sigma and Tamron cheaper relatives. Compare prices here http: // www. digicamshop. be / category / 4019 / lenzen-voor-canon. html and I suffered a great disappointment.

but it's the lens? http: // club. foto. ru / forum / 44/490386
they cheaper? they can be a canon priladit pending lechshe time?

05.05.2010 18:02:00

I need to blur the background. this requirement to the lens
This is too little demand to prefer Zuiko 50/2. 0 to some other lens. Especially 4/3 system is not focused on high-aperture lenses. They are, but the selection is small.

dyuzhe because I liked the pictures with the lens olimpusovskim
what?

I'm a little Upset you. Even when you buy any reflex camera with any lens. Photos you immediately begin to appear such as "beautiful" as those that you have found somewhere on the net. Only with experience will start something will turn out.

05.05.2010 18:20:00
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something I'm confused
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question or take a whale carcass? if a whale, what?
cheap polinnik is also canon?

All just go to the store, pick up a CIT, such as canon 450D ** lens 18-55 IS (if we're talking about the Canon) do a few shots (portrait mode or minimum aperture). Please put him fifty dollars cheaper - canon 50/1. 8 do a few more pictures. Remember the tactile sensations, home thoughtfully analyze images (more like that) and the contents of the purse.

Repeat the same for Nikon and Olympus Choosing the best that enough money.

** - younger carcass for Canon - 1000D, and it is cheaper in principle, can be viewed and

05.05.2010 18:24:00
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Everything just
you can not even imagine how hard it is easier
the moon, perhaps, to fly than to carry out the plan
I can go to the store just once - to buy

05.05.2010 18:30:00
Then share your
unenviable - to listen to the opinions of others. And they will differ by 100%.
Then I would advise you to pay attention to the availability of accessories of any brand. And from this a start, so to speak.

05.05.2010 18:33:00
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to dityu not to "dilute" the ear and nose (for example on a tip eyelashes), is close to the hole vsetki 5. 6-8. . . pyhu nadot. . .
What are you talking about! I shot the children with poor lighting in the hallway on the TC 85/1. 8 in the fully open - all beautifully turned out, only the shutter speed was not always acceptable. "8" in portraits - this is for advertising to another and the car was in the depth of field.
Flash must also learn to use for portraits. As the author of the house window light enough, it is better not to bother with the flash.

the same time so I shall express and other issues. The stabilizer helps you by hand-shake, dynamic objects it does not help to remove, it is still slower shutter speed will not put. For children stabilized lens is not very necessary. Just now people do not know how it is - and without the lens stub.

05.05.2010 18:35:00
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you can not even imagine how hard it is easier
the moon, perhaps, to fly than to carry out the plan
I can go to the store just once - to buy
to the moon in principle difficult possible and for once this is done, the main thing to observe two conditions:
- available to you was necessary appliances (solved preliminary call).
- pictures look only the monitor (solved by agreement with the seller) as altarnativy can grab your laptop.

05.05.2010 19:12:00


Pro "dead end" Olipusa - join, at this stage (with the apparent cheapness start) very expensive "cow" without express or implied, to say the least advantages. . .

There was a time - I firmly believed in the fact that "dvazhdykrop" - it sucks, expensive, noisy. . .

Then - I was surprised to find that the whale optics from Olympus is much better whales other systems.

And then - Make sure that the noise - not much different, and for the money - spending close.

So - Olympus - no worse (or better) than other brands.

05.05.2010 19:15:00
& Gt; Then share your unenviable - to listen to the opinions of others. And they will differ by 100%.

Setting aside the different holivarov, then essentially all the tips I think will converge to a whale carcass budget + Jr. fifty dollars.
example from the site:
1. http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 75276 / canon-eos-10 ... 18-55-is-kit. html + http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 15885 / category-401 ... 0mm-f-1-8-ii. html
2. http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 75337 / sony-a230-18-55mm-kit. html + http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 88204 / category-404 ... 0mm-f1-8-sam. html
3. http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 75580 / nikon-d3000-18-55-vr-kit. html + http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 24984 / category-402 ... d-50mm-f-1-8. html ] http: // www. digicamshop. be / product / 24984 / category-402 ... d-50mm-f-1-8. html (but figure there - do not have Nikon younger fifty dollars for younger carcasses, Thu forgotten).

& gt; but what is this lens? http: // club. foto. ru / forum / 44/490386
they cheaper? they can be a canon priladit pending lechshe time?

Specifically, these can not be, but I think too early to contact you with manualschinoy.

05.05.2010 19:17:00

And anything that kilorubley 26 is 650 euros and 400 nifiga not?

the homeland of the author may be cheaper, it is in addition to the D5000,
as possible and with the D3000, which the author originally wanted.

And her budget allows

now in my budget to fit Nikon D3000 + 18-105

35 and 1. 8 hundred bucks cheaper 18-105 even retail.

05.05.2010 19:20:00


In my opinion, and fifty dollars - not needed.

Budget carcass of any manufacturer. And then - a man and he will understand if they need poltosu or not.

I'm here until the SLR did not buy - I think that will be the first fifty dollars.

Yeah. Schaz. I weaned from the "zoom down". And without the zoom ring - even I can not shoot.

And all fixes - sucks - for framing have to run, fi.



As a result, I have a lot of zoom, and still - not a single fixation. . .
 

05.05.2010 19:23:00

something I'm confused

cheap polinnik is also canon?

Fifty in the room will be too narrow, wee not fit, in addition to the canon fifty dollars big pile of plastic gears. In contrast to the aforementioned 35 1. 8 AF-S
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