Help identify between nikon d3000 or olympus e520

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19.03.2010 12:31:00
For many read but I can not choose what to buy.
Actually the question is not even in the carcass, and a whale in Nikon Lenses should whale in the Olympus 18-55 vr kit 14-42.
In the near future other optics except whales dopokupat not foresee help choose if I plan to shoot mostly people in the room well, and portraits amateur.
 

19.03.2010 13:41:00

Actually the question is not even in the carcass, and a whale in Nikon Lenses should whale in the Olympus 18-55 vr kit 14-42.

matrix size at different cameras, so really the whale 18-55 will be the field of view with coeff 1. 5 for Nikon 27-82, while the Olympus factor 2. 0 means it will give the whale 28-84. Practically the same, although there are unconfirmed rumors that Nikonov matrix better. But on the pillars in the room will still be using a flash, in such circumstances, no difference.

19.03.2010 16:39:00
However, to print a 4: 3 it will be uncomfortable. . It may well nafininik, entoot Olympus? ?

19.03.2010 17:23:00
However
print 4: 3 it will be uncomfortable. .
author wrote:

plan to shoot mostly people in the room well, and portraits amateur.

For portraits of 4: 3 is much better, and labs now print this format
(and the whale 14-42 at Olympus at least some drawing and bokeh is, unlike the Nikon whale 18-55).

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19.03.2010 17:40:00


E-520 an old camera, D3000 still newer. If you take the whale as a soap dish set with mirror, the first should be considered only in case of a significant difference in price. Matrix is ​​not too successful and there, and there, at low ISO is better at Nikon, Olympus high worse. However


print 4: 3 it will be uncomfortable. .

Well, 15x20 and 18x24 in particular.


and the whale 14-42 at Olympus at least some drawing and bokeh has

No there is neither one nor the other, although the glass to his appointment is not bad.


19.03.2010 18:28:00
Yes you Th whale in Olika zachetny, stab in the E-520 is a good, constructive and ergonomics cool. With regard to noise, Nikon D3000 very noisy, that's D5000 is quiet, but the price is different. If
about "growth" in the future will buy ZD14-54 / 2. 8-3. 5 and closes Wishlist 90% Then you need will buy pyhu FL-36R and nothing else. . .
Another thing that in late spring are supposed to come out a new E-5XX and are supposed to be much steeper than the E-520 because two years many new Olympus ponavtykal in camera (not marketing features, and really useful new type of AF, the weaker AA filter and noise Olik actively fights) and all these innovations should focus in the new SLR. . .

19.03.2010 21:08:00
Live where? The room is a bit dark without pyhi (built only make svetosinhronizator good) with dark whales and they do not portrait. Cheap nikonisty pay attention to "tank" (secondary market) with manual windows. The truth is there for a long time grazing and generate olimpusovdy deficit and pay for the correct adapter mount.

19.03.2010 22:26:00
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when you stay at the d3000, I would be in your place for your purposes

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plan if you shoot mostly people in the room well, and portraits amateur.

would take d3000 just carcass + nikon 35/1. 8 DX. From whales (though the Nikon though olimpusovskogo) portretnik still those. Or you can take
e520 kit, but to him an adapter (Olympus OM, for example) + fast lens, but really nothing to decide for themselves comfortable you will focus manually or not.

or even as an option - canon 1000d + canon 50/1. 8 - also a budget option, which may be better for portraits than both your proposed whale set.

19.03.2010 23:36:00

D3000 still newer
gee. . . and what is new? Label? D3000 D60 relabeled. . .


Or you can take the e520 kit, but to him an adapter (Olympus OM, for example) + fast lens, but really nothing to decide for themselves comfortable you will focus manually or not.
If you have money you can take Sigma 30/1. 4 or 50/1. 4 under the Olympus, but IMHO the best bets are the E-620 has a new more appropriate AF with the possibility of adjustment for each lens.

or even as an option - canon 1000d + canon 50/1. 8
Tady I do not envy you. . . will guarantee you the hassle of AF, it is not the best in the carcass + AF miracle of technology that will give you not passing poltosu Hemorrhoids. . . as well obektivchik not bad. Canon is able podnasr. . . his fans. . .

20.03.2010 12:44:00

Sorry, but you generally photographer, or just teoreteG?

Photographer is probably an exaggeration, but the whale zoom 14-42 I have, and the experience of its use there. It is a decent lens, how do dark plastic zoom can be decent, but nothing more, and therefore on the shelf for the most part. If you can see some bokeh and drawing on the 42 mm focal length and aperture 5. 6 (clamped to stop the change-8m), I left you only envy.
E-510 even older, and that's how she is removed:

such girls models such hands for samples to the extent possible and soap to remove, will not be worse. In the second case, and that, and another is clearly losing. Trash with kenona network nadergat not a problem, including the studio, as well as with any other camera.

20.03.2010 13:16:00

to start is to go and live to see, touch, poyuzat camera can do it all at once and decide

for better AF Nikon, Olympus ergonomics, noise at about parity.
under conditions of severe budget constraints recommend Olympus, t. To. It can be screwed old manual'naya optics (buy an adapter with dandelion) from the zenith (eg Helios), perfect for portraits.
here for the sake of example, snapshots captured on Helios 44-2 (58/2, 0) on F2, 0








Nikon hardly compatible with the M42.

20.03.2010 13:38:00

If interested in an inexpensive portraits on Olympus that as an option E-520 + ZD40-150 / 3. 5-4. 5 "old" whale zoom "bank" (not to be confused with the new compact). You can buy a used / y in excellent condition 4, 5-5t. p. on oruflayne, there have in the gallery shots of him, quite beautiful. That is to say versatile option for nedorgo portretnik-televichok. And if you acquired a taste for it and then you can "clean" portretnik buy. . .
And if purely for portraits Canon 450D something goes + 85/1. 8, expensive and will probably pointeesnee but not universally, for universality must also "normal" zoom to take. . . And IMHO
vaasche portrait (I mean REAL portrait, rather than just a genre) is a delicate matter, for an amateur. . .

20.03.2010 13:41:00

If you can see some bokeh and drawing on the 42 mm focal length and aperture 5. 6 (clamped to stop the change-8m)
But ZD14-54 / 2. 8-3. 5 even at f = 5. 6 portraits may well do, it all depends on the focal distance and to the subject and the background. . .

20.03.2010 14:50:00

whale zoom 14-42 I have
If you can see some bokeh
what is meant by bokeh. . . Somehow tehnodrochery on Russian forums under bokeh understand exclusively vhlam background blur in portraits. However, the term is the definition (for English and Russian sources is then immediately smear):
In photography, bokeh is the blur, or the aesthetic quality of the blur.
That is (loosely translated) "beautiful" field blur in the photo.

With these parameters, the DF and aperture value, as at 14-42, a noticeable blur in this lens is, of course, only when shooting krupnoplanovoy:
http: // photos. lifeisphoto. ru / 53/2/535741. jpg
http: // photos. lifeisphoto. ru / 53/2/530107. jpg
http: // photos. lifeisphoto. ru / 50/2/509958. jpg
http: // photos. lifeisphoto. ru / 42/0/421626. jpg
http: // pds. exblog. jp / pds / 1/200706/12/52 / f0112952_22322036. jpg
Most inexpensive zooms mess there, but here is something like Fix-portrait lens.
Plus he is very sharp and very neveleki geometric distortions (see. His schedule ITF).
In general, this is not a whale, but a gift.

20.03.2010 15:48:00

In general, this is not a whale, but a gift.
+100
How shtatnik for moderate money is better not to think of. . . picked up and soared, do not break your head over VS. . .
Mlyn for 30d so ZD14-54 analogue and not picked up. . . netuti or expensive type of Canon 17-55 / 2. 8. or incomprehensible SigmaTamronoTokiny heterogeneity in the middle range 16.. . 17-50. . . 70/2. 8.. .

20.03.2010 17:37:00

That is (loosely translated) "beautiful" field blur in the photo.
Beautiful blur is usually present if any.


With these parameters, the DF and aperture value, as at 14-54, a noticeable blur in this lens is, of course, only when shooting krupnoplanovoy:

It was like a 14-42. Somehow flowed smoothly on the glass price of whale set a subject. Plus, such as shown in the examples, I almost did not take off, and the author of a topic also has several other goals. Yes and no there is nothing beautiful, ordinary bagels and ghosting.

20.03.2010 18:31:00

It was like a 14-42.
Oh, sorry, are described. Samples with 14-42 course (corrected).
Yes and no there is nothing beautiful, the usual bagels and ghosting.
I'm not talking about the beautiful, I said that at least some are.

20.03.2010 22:11:00
Thanks for the answers (councils), while a limited budget, but still after my iksusa 75 for the first time for me, even with kit lens pictures seem masterpieces
slopes finally to Olympus, and naguglit that there are 2 520 whales in the kit, plus LV, stabilizer.
Especially bad reviews about Olympus virtually none.

20.03.2010 22:29:00

that there are 2 520 whales in the kit for cheap.
It is normal for the beginner, this Olympus is the stabilizer in the chamber which significantly helps in dark zumah. You can work out in the portraits on the whales televichke 40-150mm, 14-42mm on a group imho only if such things at 25-40mm. Well, for landscapes and architecture go. Predmetku can take a picture, allow whales to focus on 5-10 cm from the lens. So double kit will give a wide range of creativity. It is desirable to store the whole set protestit the front / back focus ooooochen rare but there are problems (usually if you set "zavolyavshiysya" box at Olympus are not sealed so you should watch set, it is desirable that was not matsany Vetrin). About hot / dead pixels do not bother, they successfully closed programmatically (there is a function in the camera menu), but it will be necessary to check displeychik, for example to remove a white sheet of paper and frame with the lens cover closed. Well, even the decency to shoot with flash.

21.03.2010 8:12:00

slopes of Olympus to finally

go no specialized forums http: // olympus. ourlife. ru , http: // oly43club. ru / forum , there are a lot of useful information.

21.03.2010 11:05:00
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Thanks for the answers (councils), while a limited budget, but still after my iksusa 75 for the first time for me, even with kit lens pictures seem masterpieces
slopes finally to Olympus, and naguglit there 2 520 whales in the kit, plus LV, stabilizer.
Especially bad reviews about Olympus virtually none.

advise you to look no reviews, photos, especially taken with kit lens. Be sure to take test shots to store both cameras - you'll understand. In addition, given that you were (are?) The owner iksusa 75, I would recommend you do look towards Canon - color rendition in jpg will be familiar, and the quality of glass in Canon one of the cheapest.

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Somehow tehnodrochery on Russian forums under bokeh understand exclusively

Tell me, why are you so often use this word? What is it you are so attractive?

21.03.2010 14:05:00
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Thanks for the answers (councils), while a limited budget, but still after my iksusa 75 for the first time for me, even with kit lens pictures seem masterpieces
slopes finally to Olympus, and naguglit there 2 520 whales in the kit, plus LV, stabilizer.
Especially bad reviews about Olympus virtually none.
Olympus is a good amateur brand. This company is not doing anything significant in the area of ​​photography. and I never even tried. Buy Olika those who have no desire to breed fingers to the side, not much money, but there is a desire for not expensive to get decent shots. Since these people do not always fotorafy, as a rule they are not as demanding on quality because they do not understand it much. For those who are important time of growth and opportunity, Olympus will not do at all. Therefore, the photographer with the Olympus you will never see on any responsible shooting. Olik even Pentax far falls short. By Olika then buy if that other lenses in the same almost impossible. All glass has a pretty dark and ISO weak. Sell ​​Olika then just almost impossible. If only pay for mere pennies.

And what you do not like Canan say 450 or 500 (a whale)?

21.03.2010 15:26:00

side Canon - color rendition in the jpg will be accustomed to, and quality of glass in Canon one of the cheapest.
Why introduce people into error? (This is putting it mildly). ZHPEG at Canon sucks slag (the benefit is PAB) and native optics expensive as all (and it is clear that more SigmaTamronoTokin) okromya whale and whale zooms poltosu (aka 50/1. 8 called the language does not turn).

21.03.2010 15:33:00

Maybe it is better to start with a Canon S90 - especially because there dzhipeg Chamber really great, but still there are equal? And the price will be much more humane.
 

21.03.2010 15:43:00

the pictures in Olympus you will never see on any responsible shooting. Olik even Pentax far falls short. By Olika then buy if that other lenses in the same almost impossible. All glass has a pretty dark and ISO weak. Sell ​​Olika then just almost impossible.
And you why fib? Glasses from Olympus is not worse than others, and in many ways much better. PRO Series has the luminosity of 2, 8.3, 5, many of these others? Not more than 20% of the total number of lenses each brand that KenoNikona that SigmaTamronoTokin. . .
Regarding NEVER on oruflayne there reporter (in particular avtozhurnala for extreme racing) removing the E-3 + E-520, it is that wrong? And IMHO it is not a criterion, Canon click any event, and now all you need to sell the apartments edinichki buy? Brad what else. And in fact against Olika Canon was one plus (and already turned into negative) was before less noise at high ISO and a couple of interesting fixes for the portrait, and a couple of telephoto (in this reportazhniki and use Canon with "white" tubes ). But in the SHU at Canon full slag (such as crop only soap 10-22), there is a decent new 16-35 II, but he stands as FF and aircraft. . .

21.03.2010 15:46:00

Nikon hardly compatible with the M42.
Nikon have their manual'nye there. Jupiter with removable liners to Zeiss and Voith. Rangefinder works, you can get a light meter. A 58/2 2 is sprinkled on 116 EGF. Apartments for super narrow.
If we climb on the M42, then Pentax or Canon.

21.03.2010 16:17:00

A strong need these manualniki? Well, if there is something unique glass then yes, the rest of mischief. . .
On older Nikon lenses fixes (if they are not in dryzg raped) are not much cheaper than new ones, and the camera, it is desirable to have a screwdriver, or b \\ y D50, 70, 80, 200 or more new D90.
With the same success can take any cheapest Sonya and any Minolta AF reservoir to taste. . .

true there long grazing and generate olimpusovdy deficit by paying for the adapter on the right mount.
correct Olimpusovod vozmёt manual'nye plovers OM, not Nikkory. . .
So what about the "grazing" you're wasting it, not in entih Nikkorah nothing to chase after them, not sinyat detski and portraits with their corpse. . .

21.03.2010 17:42:00

A strong need these manualniki?
man said he wanted the portraits in Vol. H. In the room (not the fact that he understands what it is). A simple fix here agile dark whales. Find in portrait range 35-135 good inexpensive fix for experiments is quite capable. If you like it has room to grow. But that does not manual'naya plovers all counters overwhelmed?

On older Nikon lenses fixes (if they are not in dryzg raped) are not much cheaper than new
have different prices. To new Zeiss for 40. Or 20. Voith for Pentax general expanse.

correct Olimpusovod vozmёt manual'nye plovers OM
Yes, everything is free, yeah.

With the same success can take any cheapest Sonya and any Minolta AF reservoir to taste. . .
is possible. As PENTAX 110D 17 sput and Canon, but the author did not ask about them.

21.03.2010 19:28:00

And that is not all counters manual'naya plovers overwhelmed?
Surprisingly Top crust but have a choice.
But under Canon lenses interesting (especially for me) no half-empty shelves everywhere (and Savelovo and Budёnovskom). But under all Nikon bulk is such Mlyn zagagulina obtained. . .
probably have to take me b / y D90 rather than 30d. . .
'll have to drain the Canon. . .

Yes, everything is free, yeah.
fittin g cheaper Nikkorov and lumpy (in CSF and Fotofreyme) they abound, even across yuzaniya in boxes.

21.03.2010 20:58:00


And what you do not like Canan say 450 or 500 (a whale)?


Well, they are not in my budget (the difference with the same 520 Olika $ 200), despite the fact that almost always write that the whale had kenona complete soot and have to immediately buy a good object. Yes
and family as it is necessary to explain that the camera down a $ 500 fine will not shoot and you have to buy at least a flash, and in the future in terms of quality glass whale. Well
problems with lenses on Olik me in town, though and they cost quite.


Explain what is meant by that "Nikon d3000 no screwdriver"?

21.03.2010 21:42:00
Well
problems with lenses on Olik me in town, though and they cost quite.
And cheaper too, no problems here http: // olympus. ourlife. ru / forum / index. php? showforum = 60 can b / y or new from abroad with 1year international warranty, comes much cheaper, because we all Labasa hapuzhnye, wind the prices from the ceiling on how much greed allows. . .

Explain what is meant by that "Nikon d3000 no screwdriver"?
Many Nikon lenses do not have built-in drives AF lenses. Drive focus is in the carcass and the rotation is transmitted through the "screwdriver" in the lens. In no carcass D3000 autofocus drive and a lot of lenses will not focus automatically. Nikon just now started to make lenses with the drives in the lenses, but the range is still limited, and the old lenses will not be with AF.

21.03.2010 22:20:00

Tell me, why are you so often use this word? What is it you are so attractive?
Three or four times and used the whole. . . Okay, not anymore, if you are it has something hurts. I will use the term "technophiles".

21.03.2010 22:24:00

but the range is still limited

Well just awful as limited



Yes and family as it is necessary to explain that the camera down a $ 500 fine will not shoot
Very will be 90% of users do not buy a SLR additional glasses. The room and built-in flash enough, if anything - can be at her cup of coffee put

21.03.2010 23:55:00

Well just awful as limited
What percentage bezotvertochnoy Nikon optics in the total amount of produced lenses (even without the old fixes of film)?

22.03.2010 0:19:00


Nikon have their manual'nye there. Jupiter with removable liners to Zeiss and Voith. Rangefinder works, you can get a light meter
is that they are only found goooorazdo less than lenses for M42
Expometr with d3000 still does not work with Olympus
easier and more convenient to work with manual optics than with Nikon (especially at Olympus stub works with manual optics)

116 EGF. Apartments for super narrow.
was talking about portraits, portraits and not about the apartment. . .
h. s. but simply portraits (not within the small apartment) so normal, judging from personal experience, lecturing examples above.

If we climb on the M42, then Pentax or Canon.
selection of Nikon d3000 and Olympus E-520.

22.03.2010 0:24:00

with Olympus easier and more convenient to work with manual optics than with Nikon
And even more convenient with the m4 / 3, not for nothing that the famous amateur manuals zymmi took his Panas G1. . .

22.03.2010 0:37:00

What percentage bezotvertochnoy Nikon optics in the total number of lenses produced

overwhelming, but what? And without shesterenkinyh perversions.


not for nothing that the famous amateur manuals zymmi took his Panas G1. . .

telephoto inducing them still somehow not really work.


22.03.2010 1:41:00

overwhelming, but what? And without shesterenkinyh perversions.
put it down a couple-three new zooms and a couple of new fixes?

telephoto inducing them still somehow not really work.
IMHO manual telephoto at present distorted, or back in time to the zenith camera gun?

22.03.2010 3:14:00
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that almost always write that the whale had kenona complete soot and have to immediately buy a good object.
And you filter was written on the Internet have two Canon whale with focal 18-55. The first (old) really very weak, perhaps the weakest of all whales. But the second, 18-55 - quite decent. He then comes with the 450D, 500D. Obzorchik can be viewed here:
http: // www. photozone. de / canon-eos / 181-canon-ef-s-18- ... st-report - review

In particular, the resolution it is quite good
http: // www. photozone. de / canon-eos / 181-canon-ef-s-18- ... t - review? start = 1

From Sonek recommend A450 with the new whale 18-55 SAM.



not for nothing that the famous amateur manuals zymmi took his Panas G1. . .
You confuse "well-known" and "well-known in certain circles" By the way, where he disappeared from the forum?


22.03.2010 7:32:00
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side Canon - color rendition in the jpg will be accustomed to, and quality of glass in Canon one of the cheapest.
Why introduce people into error? (This is putting it mildly). ZHPEG at Canon sucks slag (the benefit is PAB) and native optics expensive as all (and it is clear that more SigmaTamronoTokin) okromya whale and whale zooms poltosu (aka 50/1. 8 called the language does not turn).

I said that color reproduction will be familiar. Estimated characteristics (like / dislike) were left behind.
And see the way the sample with Yandex, who as often than relieves: http: // fotki. yandex. ru / cameras /
It can be seen that most people take for Canon / Nikon - statistics are stubborn things.



22.03.2010 7:50:00
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overwhelming, but what? And without shesterenkinyh perversions.
put it down a couple-three new zooms and a couple of new fixes?
Do you like the thread please visit the Nikon yes count, and that in fact it may happen that the motorized lens in Nikon's more than the entire Olympus.

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not for nothing that the famous amateur manuals zymmi took his Panas G1. . .
You confuse "well-known" and "well-known in certain circles" By the way, where he disappeared from the forum?
So after he appeared here only because in the Olympus-oualayf him banned for swearing olikovskogo autofocus and service. Since then, it all pofiksali with bath was removed, he do here?

22.03.2010 9:06:00

put it down a couple-three new zooms and a couple of new fixes?

""? You see only the latest news?

IMHO manual telephoto at the present stage of perversion, or back in time to the zenith camera gun?

You just were not interested in the matter. If the manual fix 400 5. weighing about 6 kilograms less than 500 ye, it supports converter (kenonovsky not support the AF and 5. 6 is often not the assistant) are in most systems, it is more convenient to carry than the fools in 3 kilos and above with tripod and so on. (omitting the little things such as price) Of course, if possible interference. With this number of Panasonic judging by the photos with oliforuma alas does not pass, and I was hoping

22.03.2010 12:30:00
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You just were not interested in the matter. If the manual fix 400 5. weighing about 6 kilograms less than 500 ye,
By the way, there is a Sony home autofocus fix 500/8 and cost about $ 600.

22.03.2010 16:19:00

By the way, there is a Sony home autofocus fix 500/8 and cost about $ 600.

Cute thing, except that in Russia it is probably a thousand and sharpness judging by the pictures something great burden even when the AF 1/1250 - upper right birdies polnokadr http: // pixel-peeper. com / lenses /? lens = 1010

Autofocus 8 often spoils the mood - and fidgets picture just will not (70-300 experience with 1. 4).
A week struggling with native 400 5 6 300 ye. Manually
C converter 1 4 on the open in the darkness (AF just do not take):
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / vantogh / view / 221917 /? page = 0
On 8 no converter 1/500
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / vantogh / view / 224764 /? page = 1
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / vantogh / view / 225609 /? page = 1

22.03.2010 17:22:00
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Cute thing, except that in Russia it is probably a thousand
possible. In Moscow and my 70-300 SSM worth considerably more expensive than in England
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and sharpness judging by the pictures something great burden even when the AF 1/1250
nadergat trash can with any lens.
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Autofocus 8 often spoils the mood - and fidgets picture just will not (70-300 experience with 1. 4).
Experience with 70-300 + converter 1. 4 here as it is not indicative

22.03.2010 20:07:00
Lord, this topic is about d3000 vs e520. Please do not confuse with the theme [flame] SONY Alpha System vs. Nikon vs. Canon vs. Pentax vs. Olympus vs. Fuji. Vol. 39

22.03.2010 22:18:00

I think that discuss appropriate options from other companies is also possible.
 

25.03.2010 23:42:00
Well, the epilogue, it is interesting, nevertheless chose and bought a nikon 3000 whale 18-55, Olympus as it does not lay a hand, poklatsav two days made for themselves a few conclusions:
1. Keith as portretnik eerie, can shoot, but that's what I expect he does not give, not to be.
2. Photos by type I on the background of something - super, after the soap dish heaven and earth
3. I'll save for fifty dollars Nikon 50mm f / 1. 4G AF-S Nikkor, price bites, but what can we do
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