Canon 1000D + Tamron SP AF17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di II LD Aspherical vs. Canon 500D Kit

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27.11.2009 14:33:00
That's actually what's best: Canon 1000D body + Tamron SP AF17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di II LD Aspherical vs. Canon 500D Kit?
is particularly interesting from the point of view of the shooting in poor lighting in the room. On one side of the lighter optics removed to allow the lower ISO, on the other hand possible to use higher ISO. I do not know how much is there to put equality possible.
 

27.11.2009 15:52:00

Light or when Mongo does not happen, well, almost none when. Accordingly, in the lack of light and begin to climb scoring ISO noise.
So it is better to open a wider aperture and sensitivity is better to put svegda a possible minimum.

choices than justified? About odinakokoy price data sets?

I'll tell you this, for which I will start kicking.
I bought the camera for growth, t. E. The money on a decent lens once was. I bought a Canon 30d with whale (old), who cursed just lazy, although it was possible for the same money to take the Canon 450D with Tamron, which I was able to buy a half a year. And never regretted that bought immediately 450D with Tamron. But now I am glad and the camera and lens. Although all here are of the opinion that it is better to take a cheap carcass expensive glass. I believe that if there is a desire to develop further and plans to have buy better lenses for the foreseeable future, it makes sense to invest in a more expensive carcass, which will please not only the first month after purchase. And then buy glasses.

truth in your case, the difference in the carcass is not as significant as in my case between the 450D and 30d. By and large, the difference between them is reduced to the presence and absence VIDEO. Razitsa within a quantity of megapixels you need not worry if you do not intend to print your photos A1 size.


27.11.2009 16:15:00
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Choice What is the rationale? About odinakokoy price data sets?
Yes, justified about the same price. . .
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By and large, the difference between them is reduced to the presence and absence VIDEO. Razitsa within a quantity of megapixels you need not worry if you do not intend to print your photos A1 size.
Well, not only the video, there is also a high ISO, I vobshchem and ask is better to take the high ISO, but the whale or less ISO, but better optics. . .
And about megapixels and I do not worry

27.11.2009 16:27:00

Sorry, but I have to quote myself:
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Light or when Mongo does not happen, well, almost none when. Accordingly, in the lack of light and begin to climb scoring ISO noise.
So it is better to open a wider aperture and sensitivity is better to put svegda a possible minimum.

Sensitivity 3200 and 6400 at the Canon 500D are conditional, ie. To. The noise will be so many that even a photo 10x15 badet not possible to print and view them without tears.
about the same result as in ISO 3200 450D will draw in the converter ISO 1600 in a 1000D + 1EV.

27.11.2009 16:30:00
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That's actually what's best: Canon 1000D body + Tamron SP AF17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di II LD Aspherical vs. Canon 500D Kit?
is particularly interesting from the point of view of the shooting in poor lighting in the room. On one side of the lighter optics removed to allow the lower ISO, on the other hand possible to use higher ISO. I do not know how much is there to put equality possible.
Take 450D + Tamron 17-50 f / 2. 8..

have 450 central sensor of high accuracy for the diaphragms of 2. 8, the screen is better, 9 points AF compared to 7 in 1000.

27.11.2009 17:35:00

+1 for the 450D, if you do not need the video. Since buying a light optics, it is reasonable to take advantage of the older brothers 1000D module AF. A high ISO compared to 1000D you bought 500D, did not win. The fact that they can choose from the menu, does not mean that its matrix is ​​less noisy, quite the contrary.

27.11.2009 17:43:00

screen appears - the same. . . It's in 500D it better.

27.11.2009 18:03:00

screen appears - the same
No, he 1000D smaller. However, some record is a plus 1000D, that seems to me a few original.

27.11.2009 22:01:00
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screen appears - the same. . . It's in 500D it better.
1000D - 2. 5 "
450D - 3" sensor off when held close to the face - is not "+"? Number of points
230k both. .

500D - 3 "points and 920k..

28.11.2009 23:19:00

I believe that if there is a desire to develop further and plans to have buy better lenses for the foreseeable future, it makes sense to invest in a more expensive carcass, which will please not only the first month after purchase. And then buy glasses.

Generally agree
himself when more than 3 years ago chose DSLRs, then took the latest at the time 400D (350D cost much cheaper) and inexpensive poltosu 50/1, 8 (+ whale zoom gave me then).
Already in just a few months, I mastered the Tamron 17-50 / 2, 8. .


I think it makes no sense to take 1000D, as this very much simplified castrated largely carcass. . .

28.11.2009 23:48:00

Canon 1000D body + Tamron SP AF17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di II LD Aspherical
Canon 450D body + Tamron SP AF17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di II LD Aspherical


And never regretted that bought immediately 450D with Tamron. But now I am glad and the camera and lens. Although all here are of the opinion that it is better to take a cheap carcass expensive glass.
carcass at the time (quickly becoming obsolete consumables, though not cheap), and a good glass for long. . .

29.11.2009 16:34:00

Well, I am now to the body, which makes me happy for years, slowly re-buy good glass. And I think that is unlikely they are just as pleasing to the 450D, t. To. Would constantly gnawing doubt that it would be necessary to take the carcass for better. All

so here argue that carcass is almost consumables, such as work for a couple months and thrown out. . . So let's all naberёm Canons 300D and they will happily shoot
Horsham camera still works fine for several years, I agree that much longer lenses becoming obsolete, but also a good camera is not too little means. What I do not see the pros shoot on Canon 1000D or Nikon D40.


29.11.2009 17:19:00

All talk here so that the carcass is almost consumables, such as work for a couple months and threw. . .
On present trends, the development of technology morally obsolete carcass maximum for a couple of years, and good optics lives 7-12 (this requirement to lifetime), and even 15 years. The good old iron manual'nye fixes so vvasche eternal, and with good circulation after 30 years look like new. . .

30.11.2009 0:04:00

I bought a Canon 30d
you compare the outdated half-carcass for the poor with the 450D? In addition to ergonomics and body material 30D is no better 450D. Crop - even in Africa crop.

quietly buy more good glass. And I think that is unlikely they are just as pleasing to the 450D
Similarly be happy.

30.11.2009 5:21:00
+1 Vote for 450D.

himself standing in front of a similar choice of a couple of months ago, and now, thanks to the obscene sagging price 450D little of what was a good carcass, so more and actually became a leader in the price / quality ratio.

30.11.2009 8:57:00
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And never regretted that bought immediately 450D with Tamron. But now I am glad and the camera and lens.
And if bought 450D, then now would be happy 50D. At the same time, the first day of shooting to the normal lens, which would provide a much better result. And what a joy 30d now.

I also would recommend the author to take 450D + Tamron 17-50 / 2. 8. You'll see, soon will 60D or any other new items by 1. 5-2 years interested. During this time, can be suitable for their interests to collect a set of good optics.

30.11.2009 9:08:00
I myself already suspect in megalomania, for the second time on this page myself quoting
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I'll tell you this, for which I will start kicking. I bought the camera for growth, ie. E. The money for a decent lens once was. I bought a Canon 30d with whale (old), who cursed just lazy, although it was possible for the same money to take the Canon 450D with Tamron,

That's already started kicking!
And so I nemenee remaining unconvinced. So I would probably want to change the carcass in half a year, and yet still not worried.

30.11.2009 11:01:00
450d and 30d are comparable
benefits of balanced disadvantages

it at 40d 450d undeniable advantages over and 30d - this is an old semi-which just competing with the 450d

I've bought 450d could get for the same money bu 30d, have not taken
and nothing to lose, because reporting is not rented, and the rest of the 450d is better - lighter and more compact (it's a plus for me), the resolution is higher, the same AF, liveview, sd card (for me it is the identity plus, cf no I )), the viewfinder is comparable only
joystick is not enough, the rest are satisfied

30.11.2009 11:24:00
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So I would probably want to change the carcass in half a year, and yet still not worried.

After six months - no, 1 through 5 - yes. And since you bought the item, which had already been more than 3 years.
But I have 2. 5 years 400D (first supply), 2 years earlier was 350D (first supply), and not worried yet (until the spring, and there - or 7D, 60D or hypothetical). At the same time, I have a set of optics for $ 6000 (for the money at 90% bought another for 350), and none of which I do not like or superfluous.

30.11.2009 12:48:00

set of optics for $ 6000
That there are such? Curious.

30.11.2009 14:47:00

And since you bought the item, which had already been more than 3 years.
wonder why you say that?
When I took her in early 2008. she has been on sale for at least 2 years. You could buy a 40D, but it was much more expensive, t. To. At that time was still quite svzhim. But I found that I and 30d enough. While the 450D just appeared and was also not very adequate for the price. So I thought about it a bit and bought a 30d kit for the same money as the 450D + Tamron. Even seem a little less work.
And now I have both Tamron and 30d, and what pleased

30.11.2009 14:55:00

I got in around 6000, now can not stand so much, especially b / y. Prices, of course, approximate memory.
In order to purchase body:
Canon 70-200 / 4 L = 700
Sigma 170-500 / 5. 6-6 / 3 = 500
Sigma 500/4. 5 = 4000
Tamron 17-50 / 2. 8 = 400
Canon 85/1. 8 = 400
Everyone except 85/1. 8 (which just bought) shot before the appearance in Moscow 400D.

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And now I have both Tamron and 30d, and what pleased
So rejoice, who can be against, but not all such "joy" approach. 30d fundamentally better than the 450D? Metal body, but most do not break the plastic. A great resource gate, but for an amateur it develop - we must try.
will soon release a 60D. In digital technology rejoice apparatus lagging for 3 generations, is not easy.

30.11.2009 16:04:00
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Take 450D + Tamron 17-50 f / 2. 8..
+100


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What 30d fundamentally better 450D?
MUCH better ergonomics:
2nd wheel
2nd screen joystick

grip convenient

Someone does not matter, and someone very important to me that's important. Spring tselyus to 50D but HHHd do not even look. . . .
 

30.11.2009 16:10:00

will soon release a 60D. In digital technology rejoice apparatus lagging for 3 generations, is not easy.
There is already a dispute turns, so worse than 30d against 50D (same as why take the 30d, when there 450D) At that time, 30d has a decent camera that fell in my hand is much more convenient than the 450D. When bearable price difference 30d was convenient.

until the spring, and there - or 7D, 60D or hypothetical
And you what? Surely there kalssnaya 500D camera
I believe that when your park decent optics expedient transition only FF and you have to be something only shtatnik change.

30.11.2009 17:07:00

I believe that when your park decent optics expedient transition only FF
The man is clearly an ulterior motive are present Sigma 170-500 / 5. 6-6 / 3, Sigma 500/4. 5 to shorten their transition to the FF
Anyway, he will understand.

30.11.2009 17:39:00
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And you what? Surely there kalssnaya 500D camera
I believe that when your park decent optics expedient transition only FF and you have to be something only shtatnik change.
I shoot birds in the forest, so that the "5" I look, but certainly it is not the way. Maybe a new release and the temptation. . . 500D buying late in the day may come that interesting, and that plus its not interesting to me. Here are released 7D, something interesting to me. But many do not - a machine gun, video, MT. It must be substantial progress in the AF (not in the sense of the number of points) and considerably higher ISO with acceptable noise. I look forward to a more appropriate outlet for me (ie. E. In comparison with the 7D worse parameters of the video and the machine gun, the smaller MP count is not necessary) 60D.
way, shtatnik me almost not needed. I have long lived without it at all. Bought at one time under a single task, it is sometimes useful, I'm happy with it: a good constant aperture. Anyway, I whale gift is not necessary.

30.11.2009 17:39:00
Tamron is better to wait only when displayed with Stabia - without stub sad shoot.

30.11.2009 17:39:00

What 30d fundamentally better 450D?
Less noise, faster and longer series of operational management.

30.11.2009 17:48:00

to shorten their transition to the FF
From dimes and kropnutyh almost without loss in comparison with the 7D kropnutyh possible, if we are not talking about printing more magazine spreads.
Anyway, he will understand
A and correctly
Just where to dispute that went that I should have taken immediately 450D with Tamron instead 30d and Tamron few months. And I say that I did the opposite, and I do not regret , and in many meniyu had much regret


will soon release a 60D. In digital technology rejoice apparatus lagging for 3 generations, is not easy.
And what will you do buying 60D, and two years later released 80D. I think you will enjoy the pictures with his old camera (as I am now) , because the performance of the new cameras are no longer growing so fast, and the "SHIDEVR" on it also will not appear.
Although if DD pulled up to the level of the film, here I deysvitelno will regret and understand that my unit is heavily outdated.


Less noise, faster and longer series of operational management.
Plus is better in my hand, for all this and took it.


30.11.2009 17:56:00

From dimes and kropnutyh almost without loss in comparison with the 7D can kropnutyh,
4. 5MP (5D) or 8 (5D2), compared to 18 this lossless?
Although if DD is pulled up to the level of the film
Well degrade the performance figures for a long time will not succeed.

30.11.2009 18:00:00

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if we are not talking about printing more magazine spreads.
So I bind to something about the size of the print.

30.11.2009 18:01:00
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What 30d fundamentally better 450D?
Less noise, faster and longer series of operational management.
Less noise? I have my doubts, but not tested.

Faster and longer range - not all need me - so sure. I was shooting for another sport Salute and normally with a falling mirror. And now everyone is hoping to get help with a machine gun, I'm closer to the sniper in this sense.

operational management - no doubt, but not enough to buy junk. Yes, and affects mainly the active reportorial work.

My opinion - for an amateur 450D better than 30d, and the change to a new possible with smaller losses.

30.11.2009 18:13:00

to buy junk
And what have the junk?

30.11.2009 18:19:00
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And what will you do buying 60D, and two years later released 80D. I think you will enjoy the pictures with his old camera (as I am now)
Plus is better in my hand, for all this and took it.

If the new camera will be much better AF and noise at high ISO (and my money) - will take.
"She lay down in the arm", "fell to the feet" - the same argument. Especially if you have enough for the joy shtatnika. For me - without the interchangeable lens SLR is not necessary. And Optics solves the basic problem, and the camera can and upgrade.

30.11.2009 18:28:00

Faster and longer range - not all need me - so sure. Well
between "no benefit" and "I do not have a" difference still exists. The Truth?

My opinion - for an amateur 450D better than 30d
For me, on the contrary, but it's a matter of taste. 450D is already way too "old".


If the new camera will be much better AF and noise at high ISO (and my money) - will take.
7D as specially made for you.


30.11.2009 19:16:00

Especially if you have enough for the joy shtatnika
And who said that I only use one lens? I certainly optics than $ 6000, but something is. And priorities in the shooting at us different, so I'm more inclined to Shirikov and telephoto I use no more than 3-5% of my shots, although he is always with me. By the way, and I do not much sverhshiriki inserted, the range of 10-16 also rarely use.
"She lay down in the arm", "fell to the feet of"
way, nothing sarcastic, ergonomics is not the last thing. On the Lada 2106, too, can go only to the Toyota Avensis convenient
And many 350-400-450-500D to buy a battery pack, precisely because so its easier to hold. And I just bought what became the hand without additional. gadgets.

Although it is in the present embodiment, the author of the theme, the difference between ergonomics 1000D and 500D will not, because the camera measures are identical to the body, except ryushechek, such as rubber-coated areas under the hand of the 500D.
general correctly expressed here if the video does not matter, you probably should still take 450D, even so did the camera a little more functional compared to 1000D.


450D is already way too "old
+1 Just my thoughts expressed.

10.12.2009 1:41:00
Let us return to the subject matter
Anybody can do a couple of test shots in low light conditions at 17-50 and 18-55 is? I would like to see at the beginning and end of the range, ie. E. Something like: 17/2. 8 and 18/3. 5; 50/2. 8 (or even 3. 5-4) and 55/5. 6 naturally with different exposures. . . just wondering how much more will help the cause of the stabilizer, unless of course help

10.12.2009 7:23:00

Anybody can do a couple of test shots in low light conditions at 17-50 and 18-55 is?
Can only 18-55 without IP + 17-50 / 2, 8.
55 can withdraw from the Stabia to assess the performance stub obetivom 55-250IS.

10.12.2009 10:06:00

If not difficult, then please do not IC 18-55 + 17-50. . .

10.12.2009 11:36:00

What subjects interested in?

10.12.2009 16:11:00
If I understand the theory, the increase in the aperture by one degree is equivalent to a decrease in exposure to 2 times or ISO sensitivity may be reduced in 2 times. Therefore, when comparing
think could use the following combinations:
1) night landscape or just a general view of the room if the room: 17 2. 8 ISO400 1 / 60c and 18 4 0 ISO400 1 / 30c (faster shutter speeds, I understand better already with stabilizer?);
2) I would like Portrait of course, but it is possible and some toy to take (in the room it is desirable not close to the wall, to blur further evaluate): 50 2 8 ISO400 1 / 60c and 55 5 6 ISO800 1 / 30c

If anyone has the opportunity to compare with the IP lens, the shutter speed for the tests can be increased by a factor of 2 times.

10.12.2009 16:36:00

If I understand the theory, the increase in the aperture by one degree is equivalent to a decrease in exposure to 2 times or ISO sensitivity may be reduced in 2 times.
That is correct.

50 2. 8 ISO400 1 / 60c and 55 5 6 ISO800 1 / 30c
Here is not correct to compare the details, ie. A. Between ISO 400 and 800 pretty decent difference in the amount of noise.

with slow shutter speed is no problem, tripod available. After 1/60 and 50mm (EGF = 80mm) is already at the limit of the average person. There is certainly someone on 1/30 can be removed without blurring at 135mm, but these people can have no training in the snipers take

Well, in general, then I realized that you want. Will do. Just do not promise to lay out today, we have with you, at least 5 hours raznicha time. We still put the kids to bed. . .

10.12.2009 17:53:00
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50 2. 8 ISO400 1 / 60c and 55 5 6 ISO800 1 / 30c
Here is not correct to compare the details, ie. A. Between ISO 400 and 800 pretty decent difference in the amount of noise .
I proceeded from the fact that the quality of the noise level in the range of 400-800 improved in the latest models not as much as at higher (1600 and above), because the emphasis was more of a challenge to make a photo with hands without using a tripod. Of course, it is clear that at ISO800 detail will be worse, but it is necessary to see and feel this moment to have no doubts or vice versa thinking on the subject - and perhaps a quality suit?
And just as you can make two shots 1st ISO800 1/30, and the second ISO400 1/15 (can be both a tripod, because as I understood condition 1/30 with it is already aerobatics, although in general, then I and the aim is to shoot in the most difficult conditions on exposure)
Honestly hard to imagine a real possibility handheld shooting without a tripod, because if it is 1/30 from malorelnogo, then we can reduce the time of exposure.
 

10.12.2009 18:40:00

evening landscape
With this we also still a problem: the cold and frosty haze respectively.
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