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08.08.2009 16:57:00
Consumer Digicam with fundamentally new sensor:
http: // www. dpreview. com / news / 0908 / 09080602sonydsctx1wx1. asp
I can not find an example of the photo from which I sdalat conclusion that actually created something extraordinary. The only thing that can skaazat: ISO1600 with almost no noise even without any shumodava. Finally ultrakompakty be compared to DSLRs like the quality of photos and sensitivity. Perhaps someone has more information?
 

08.08.2009 18:18:00

Yes, only Mlyn matrix is ​​even smaller than 1/2. 4 "against the smallest 1/2, 3", will soon make the size of a microbe. . .

08.08.2009 18:22:00

Duc, mirrors too shallow.

08.08.2009 18:27:00

Finally ultrakompakty be compared to DSLRs like the quality of photos and sensitivity.

Lolshto? You think the sensitivity measure of image quality?

08.08.2009 18:49:00
The matrix is ​​the same as was 1/2, 5 - 1/2 35 pixels reduced.

pictures
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http: // www. digitalcamera. jp /

I think it reflex to far, but argue with Fuji F200 can and will.
WX1 Aperture among the best compact digital cameras of similar size.

08.08.2009 20:09:00

Well you! Such gems I have not yet issued. But the fact that the new matrix is ​​actually very good: when its small size, it provides both DD and the noise level is much more acceptable level than the CCD of all existing species.

08.08.2009 20:15:00
http: // www. dpreview. com / news / 0908 / 09080601sonycmos. asp - article about St. Islands matrix, and in it -



Troubleshooting quite obvious . . . Moe be due to technological problems before things have been admitted?
interesting, but what about other types of matrices? Does anybody have any links to such cuts?

08.08.2009 20:16:00

But the fact that the new matrix is ​​actually very good: when its small size, it provides both DD and the noise level is much more acceptable level than the CCD of all existing species.

possible. But it does not help her to reach the results zerkalochnyh pixels. I looked at the samples on the links Iskander - shumodavische there specific.

So very sorry that the Alfa 850, they pushed the old matrix, rather than a new one made for this, advanced technology. Have looked at it gives thick pixels. .

08.08.2009 20:18:00

only thing I can skaazat: ISO1600 at almost no noise even without any shumodava.
and you believe it? What, then, Sony has decided to restrict the ISO 3200? ? Would there have all 25,600 units, and would be the noise level SLR ISO 3200, but by 4 foot brighter! ! ! !

08.08.2009 20:20:00

Mo be due to technological problems before things have been admitted?

Back illuminated matrix kakbe not nove, their long used in astronomy. They have one major problem - the exorbitant cost money compared to conventional. Sony probably something like that come up, to get around this. Or, it seems to me more likely, considering that the price of small matrices will be acceptable.
If so, sorry, in the DSLRs we did not see.

08.08.2009 20:22:00
Yes, that's
saw somewhere that Sonya comparison with waterproof Panas, FT1, it seems. So, in general, ISO800 Sonya issued a perfectly flat image, it is simply impossible to find fault, and ISO1600 too much noise without any noticeable artifacts shumodava. But it did not save the link, and now find can not.

08.08.2009 20:31:00

Look, and I all the nerves. Maybe nothing "soroket" took?

08.08.2009 20:35:00

What soroket?

08.08.2009 20:36:00

ISO 1600
http: // www. digitalcamera. jp / html / HotNews / image / 2009-08 / 07 / DSC00425. JPG
http: // www. digitalcamera. jp / html / HotNews / image / 2009-08 / 07 / DSC00535. JPG
and ISO 160
http: // www. digitalcamera. jp / html / HotNews / image / 2009-08 / 07 / DSC00540. JPG

Well 160-ka still more or less. Noise level minutes. sensitivity of other compacts (although polstopa stop more) and activities shumodava felt. ISO 1600 but without the noise and shumodava? At least until DSLRs, as the moon. Maybe it's just a worthless Panas, not Sonya good?

08.08.2009 20:44:00

What soroket?
EOS 40D.

08.08.2009 20:45:00

08.08.2009 20:51:00

a long time? Then all the more strange that only now. . .
It would be interesting to know the opinion of specialists in "solid state"

08.08.2009 21:32:00

2nd link broken.

08.08.2009 23:33:00
Well, let's say, this technology can give a prize to a couple of stops on noise, on the rest of the DD type, speed did not seem affected. By
value HZ may once this technology was expensive and was called like something like "inverse matrix", t. E. The light was applied to her "ass" through the transparent substrate, but right now, probably used different technology and matrix fell. Perhaps Sonia bought Intel technology to produce multi-layer chip that Intel has developed a year ago. This technology allows the conductors apparently lower down. So we can speculate endlessly. . .

09.08.2009 2:34:00
Maybe easier it? Vpendyurit decided to squelch powerful compacts, and the resulting increase in quietness cultural substantiate the alleged new technology (like in Fuji. And who is it there and saw under the microscope to look at, and calculate ratsnitsu between theoretically possible to decrease light losses and actual?) Two birds with one stone nakonets Sony is no longer play in the tests to other manufacturers and attract potential buyers with "progressive" bias. Sony or not she?

09.08.2009 9:14:00

Decided vpendyurit in compact powerful denoising

You see test images, denoising can not increase indefinitely. Either
teryayutsya details or color, even after processing on a powerful computer, rather than on what fotike. Powerful denoising of course, but the loss of details and colors are minimal for compact digital cameras. Matrix 1.2, 4 pre-looking pictures looked like a 1/1, 6-1, 7.
And of continuous shooting 10 frames per second, I had long dreamed of, besides the possible hassle in the future implementation of Full HD video at such burst speed.
Soon all manufacturers procure sonivskie matrix, then we'll see. While Sony
option Wx1 horakteristikam looks more interesting than the Fuji F200.
(except me unnecessary memory cards Memory Stick)

09.08.2009 9:27:00

You see test images, denoising can not increase indefinitely.
Not forever, but have to develop that. Most of the "improvements" in terms of the ISO on compact development is shumodava (or rather processors can "chew" more complex algorithms)

09.08.2009 11:36:00

is the development shumodava

As an example, look at the treatment of Olympus EP-1
http: // www. dcresource. com / reviews / olympus / e_p1-review / using
treatment of night shots at ISO 1600, ISO 3200 1600 if you can improve something, then with 3200 direct jpg and processed on a computer are similar.
This low-mirror array having a winning 2 stages. Or do you think
algorithms fotika much bypass processing on a computer.

09.08.2009 13:15:00
Good pictures, especially
http: // www. digitalcamera. jp / html / HotNews / image / 2009-08 / 07 / DSC00535. JPG
Still Sonya has expanded its N such matrices, 10x zoom and compact size

As for the comparison with DSLRs, do not forget the weight and dimensions of the mirror bricks, lenses and other stuff to it, for example if you are going to rest , and not work

09.08.2009 14:01:00
And what prevents to make Sonia small brick with APS-C with EXMOR-R on the similarity of the Sigma DP, but with a low multiplicity of type zoom 24-60mm EGF (as the most popular focal lengths)? And to add to the heap 2x-3x teleconverter twist. It would be really advanced CD. That is to say to make a compact version Rydvan on new technologies.
 

09.08.2009 14:16:00

that prevents to make Sonia small brick with APS-C with EXMOR-R in the likeness of the Sigma DP
Basically - anything. And while the technology trial run on cheaper products - soap dish.

09.08.2009 14:56:00

Well, we wait. . .
There is truth oddity in the picture, Sonia draws photodiodes with strapping, but it's kind of like a CCD, instead of CMOS. Maybe Sonia will make hybrids type CCD-CMOS, photodetector on the photodiode and CMOS transistors in the harness? This would be the best solution, the color CCD, and work as CMOS.

09.08.2009 15:17:00

Well, we wait. . .
Then as a mirror is zabubenit. . .

09.08.2009 18:06:00

Well, we wait. . .

, I said to myself, when the WB500, H20, SX200, F200EXR, F70EXR. . . .
now wait EXMOR

09.08.2009 18:18:00

treatment of night shots at ISO 1600, ISO 3200 1600 if you can improve something, then with 3200 direct jpg and processed on a computer are similar.
I'm talking about the fact that RAW is not available for the owners of compacts.
therefore: what to do manufacturer whose marketing department needs more MP and economic matrix smaller?
right - include stronger denoising / "smarter."
Consumer glad ISO800 like SLRs - all clean. Manufacturer happy - found a buyer for its miracle Yudo.
Everyone is happy.

PS Progress razmeetsya goes, but unfortunately not as fast as it draws us marketing.

09.08.2009 19:13:00

Sonia draws photodiodes with strapping, but it's kind of like a CCD, instead of CMOS
IMHO not quite true: CCD - technology stream processing and transmission of information, CMOS - technology is actually active structures.
Even in Soviet times Kiev "Crystal" for our office has developed and made active filters (KR1146FP1) for digital telephony - they were just on the technology of CCD, CMOS-run on the transistors. Then they made KoFiDek.
and photodetectors may also be made differently. But it's just too oftop. . .

Sonin Exmore-R became quite similar to the eye - optics sensors connection / nerves. And rightly so!
Now combine to news Sony and Fuji. . .

Along: dpreview updated on a big test Olympus EP-1.

09.08.2009 22:20:00

Now combine to news Sony and Fuji. . .
And plus another technology, about which spoke little, patented Panas last year - "growing" Bayer filter and microlens (circular Fresnel lens-type) directly from the silicon, rather than drawing on the glass matrix. According Panas this technology allows not only to control the process, but also to make adjustments pixel by pixel in the filter, thereby achieving high repeatability of parameters for each pixel. Well, another plus allegedly survivability of such matrices increases to 25 years (do not burn filters), and to stop the gain due to the reduction of losses of light at a given technology (apparently there was a view that can be more precise positioning (to grow) sensor filter-lens). Well
can still be implemented Kodakovsky "white" pixel. . . but it xs. . .

09.08.2009 22:30:00

sort of "matrix of dreams."

10.08.2009 10:26:00
There is another interesting feature, implemented with fast matrix

mode for shooting handheld at dusk Provides clear, optimized images in low-light conditions by combining 6 images into 1 and reducing noise sharpening mode allows moving subjects to take clear pictures in low-light conditions and improves the sharpness of the object by combining 6 images into 1 and reducing noise

Here is an example of the image (the union of 6 shots with a sensitivity of 320) http: // www. digitalcamera. jp / html / HotNews / image / 2009-08 / 07 / DSC00533. JPG
picture looks better than similar to ISO160
The idea is that in this way can also rasshirot DD, with a very wide range (from the two images is where - it was mine from Casio)

10.08.2009 14:18:00

technology known. Casio have long been used. More software such has: Photo Acute, it seems.

10.08.2009 18:03:00

So very sorry that the Alfa 850, they pushed the old matrix, rather than a new one made for this, advanced technology. Have looked at it gives thick pixels. .
gives nothing, winning almost zero due to the much larger pixels and the same size of the auxiliary electronics, as well as in small matrices.


title theme is not quite true. Exmor sensors used in Sony A700 and A900, for example. Exmor using reverse lighting called Exmor R.

10.08.2009 20:14:00

Something about Panas I see missed. . . Fresnel lens, made in the form of business cards, I yuzal - cool gadget
About Kodak - yes, there was such infa, but. . . and live-it already is?

Fudzhikovtsy All are well done - while simplifying technology (see. Attachment) manufacturing received "unprecedented novelty and utility of the fantastic"



Judging by the picture, not with reverse light (back-illuminated =??), And a compound . Well and jargon from them. . .
And about the name of the theme - yes. Would improve. . .

10.08.2009 20:19:00

Judging by the picture, not with reverse light (back-illuminated =??), And with the connection.
However, the side where the light falls, called "Back side" .

10.08.2009 21:11:00

You're right, I overlooked that the matrix just up. . . became.
So Sonkovtsy too. . . good think.

13.08.2009 23:13:00
Well, Th? Sonka WX1 W300 surpasses Sonya say or not? Who can tell? If yes, really good progress.

13.08.2009 23:17:00

will be on sale, then check this out.

14.08.2009 0:14:00
Associated bit offtopic:
gnusmas also in soobrazhalovke not far behind

14.08.2009 0:20:00

So long camcorders small screen is illuminated.

14.08.2009 0:55:00
Well
Mlyn start perversion. Previously, mobile phones glued mirror, and now on the compacts displeychik Schaub a loved one to behold. . .

14.08.2009 2:10:00

Sonka WX1 W300 surpasses Sonya say or not? Who can tell?
not like. And it's not promised.

14.08.2009 7:14:00

Judging by the HX1, should do.

14.08.2009 18:07:00

Judging by the HX1, should do.
Where compared? BTW, at low ISO WX1 netuti there W300 anyway taxis .

14.08.2009 18:15:00
At least WX1 is only 25% above the minimum 100 CM many - not so much raised.
In any case, it is necessary to wait for samples. . . from "third" parties.
 

14.08.2009 18:20:00

If we compare with the "gray mass" of cameras, the WX1 one on horseback, but compared to 1/1. 7 ", which have ISO 80 (W300, G10), all is not so rosy, and ISO 125 looks noisy.
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