NIKON d60 or CANON EOS1000d - first SLR. And the last:)

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02.08.2009 11:05:00
http: // www. foto. ru / nikon_d60_body. html - 19990r (without obetiva)
http: // www. foto. ru / canon_eos_1000d_body. html - 18208r (without obetiva)
http: // www. foto. ru / canon_eos_1000d_kit_sigma_af_18-200_dc. html - with obetivom 29980
Prompt in quality for the same money duplicate objects for Nikon.
And then all the same thing: what to buy?
camera is taken as replacing all the soap box that was Nikon Coolpix5600, CASIO EXCLIM, Panasonic LUMIX - in general all byuzhdetnoe to 8000r.
duplicate objects is needed, it is desirable pounivesalnee: parties (porterty), nature, historical monuments. Well, maybe for fun, flowers and bugs. I understand that univesalny not, but we would like. And also you need to take more besides handbags?
p. s. I'm not going to be a professional and money are likely to invest in the photo will not (obetivy 50 000r), well svetofiltrov can buy. Then
 

02.08.2009 11:33:00
If you have 30,000 rubles for the camera and want to immediately less versatile lens, it makes sense to look at the Nikon D90 kit (with 18-105) well, or at Samsung GX20 Double kit.
However, to capture anything on the parties may need to flash.

02.08.2009 11:40:00
Hmm. . . I always have advised that kitovsky duplicate objects - it is not very good. I'm certainly not special. in this case, but people try to believe.
Let me reinterpret the question: what then less expensive to maintain? Who cheaper accessories?

02.08.2009 12:07:00

Hmm. . . I always have advised that kitovsky duplicate objects - it is not very good.
Watching a lens depends on what you plan to solve the problem using it, despite how much money there is and so. D.
For the money, with such requirements, that is, one lens for all occasions, and with a budget of 10,000 rubles to the lens, what is fundamentally better than glass with a whale you are unlikely to buy. That is the standard kit, ie in bulk - it is 18-55 you are not very suitable for focal in my opinion, and 18-105 from Nikon is quite a good glass of course dark and not particularly nice blur in comparison with fixed or top-end zooms, but universal. But in principle, for about 10,000 rubles, you can take a good fix - 85/1, 8 from Nikon / Canan. Or you can take a standard kit with camera plus budget fix. Such options have repeatedly chewed in various branches, particularly in optics and choice of budget cameras, so do not be lazy to use the search.
That is a question of money: for cheap and you will set a budget and then it does not matter or body kit plus a separate window, just in case the second option is more.

02.08.2009 12:29:00
I agree with Nikon D90 kit (with 18-105VR not to be confused with the 18-135) possible that you need to meet your requirements and capabilities. There are Nikon 5000 and 3000 with the same lens a bit cheaper. Of Canan perhaps interesting option 1000 ka (better Nikon 60-ki) with Sigma 18-125OS (always with OS Optical Image Stabilizer), or Canan 450 \\ 500 with a whale once + 55-250 + fix 50 \\ 1. 4 + Tamron 90 \\ 2. 8 acquiring the next. If you stop by 1000 with Sigma-ke is general enough for him to take the specified Tamron for bugs \\ flowers and portraits (Sharpe then on the camera or the lens on a minute.)

02.08.2009 15:25:00
Dear MAG, you happen to Michael A.? If not, I apologize.
what is "dark and not particularly nice blur in comparison with fixed or top-end zooms"?
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s Canan perhaps interesting variant of the 1000 Single (better Nikon 60-ki) from Sigma 18-125OS
That is-similar to what I wanted to hear.
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I just need a "soap box", but abruptly. I certainly understand that the show-off and one more, that steeper - is the last century, but the mentality is still remained. Here. .

03.08.2009 6:10:00

Dear MAG, you happen to Michael A.?
No, I Kurosh

sigma may be some problems with the choice of a specific instance, and they can not be. Actually, buying anything is always a matter of luck, in addition to the correct choice.

I just need a "soap box", but abruptly.
Well, for example, Panasonic GH1 does not consider it a bar of soap still more like. I have a cheap SLR confused is not particularly successful ergonomics as controls and grip and viewfinder.

03.08.2009 6:40:00

I just need a "soap box", but abruptly.
ultrazoom Maybe better to take the most advanced?
How many people have bought the SLR with the motivation like "buy the carcass and the lens for all occasions and more will not buy anything!". . . that's just in time these people overgrown flares glasses for macro, landscape, portrait, all kinds of filters, mobile light, and Others Others Others infinite and endless designer items for adults.

03.08.2009 8:06:00

or Canan 450 \\ 500 with a whale once + 55-250 + fix 50 \\ 1. 4

And this kit will fit in the legend 30t. p. ?

In general, if we consider dablkit, the Nikon D60 + a whale can reach nikkorovsky 55-200VR, will be cheaper than the aforesaid set above. Well, the picture in 55-200VR very decent for a budget class. Only we must bear in mind that it is not closer meter focuses, and generally focusing enough braking. Although after the shoot cameras - it flies: o)

03.08.2009 8:13:00

If you have 30,000 rubles for the camera and want to immediately less versatile lens, it makes sense to look at the Nikon D90 kit (with 18-105)

you tell me where 30 m. P. D90 kit you can buy? ? ? ))))
body even it is impossible to

03.08.2009 9:10:00

you tell me where 30 m. P. D90 kit you can buy?
Well, who said that you can buy it for 30? I said that I can see, and so on. D. As a person takes "supermylnitsu" IMHO save on carcass makes no sense.
Well, in pixels carcass 31500 worth already, for example.


ultrazoom Maybe better to take the most advanced?
And now there ultrazoom of a more or less large matrices? In addition to Fuji seems to be no one like this for a long time does not.

03.08.2009 9:38:00

And now there ultrazoom of a more or less large matrices?
Nothing Personally, I'm waiting for FinePix S200FS with their super matrix for DD and 1/1, 6 "

Theme recommend Samsung GX20 double kit. This bird udelaet and 1000D and D60.
Excellent management, solid appearance, stub in most carcass, dustproof, moisture protection, large viewfinder. In general, all the adult
And if you fasten it any Tamron AF 28-300mm (13 thousand), we obtain, for ideas, a great mirror soap dish.


03.08.2009 14:19:00


worth deal primarily in their needs. For example, "portrait" - the majority of local residents implies weak tele end, sharp eyes and nose and ears - is a little blurry background the same - to be blurred vhlam. Landscapes - is another matter, there must be a wide angle and a little more sharpness. Macro - another lens. . .

Actually, right you recommend dablkit. This - the most versatile solution if you are going to invest more.

03.08.2009 18:47:00
I photographed and filmed 60 Nikon Canon 1000. True, a little - two or three dozen shots of each camera. IMHO Nikon inspires greater respect. . .
not to think that I pushed the brand - I have the Sony A300. And Nikon me vulnerable. . . Although the menu options and at Sonya I like more. Some solidity in Nikon compared to Canon 1000 - take in hand - maeshsya thing. A Canon for female hand made. . .

03.08.2009 19:41:00
quote:
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s Canan perhaps interesting variant of the 1000 Single (better Nikon 60-ki) from Sigma 18-125OS
That is-similar to what I wanted to hear.
go to my gallery, there is a gallery as a pro Sigma 18-125 + 1000d, and there in the gallery about animals almost all filmed at 18-125 + 1000d

if briefly, then a bunch of very convenient and efficient, advise.

PS If you do not want to buy on optics - you should look to double Olympus kit

03.08.2009 20:30:00
Again some double kit. What's this?

03.08.2009 20:41:00

Again some double kit. What's this?
kit, which comes two camera + lens (usually tricks something like 18-50 and 50-250)

03.08.2009 22:10:00
Here sounded the first answer to the question asked:
Canan perhaps interesting variant of the 1000 Single (better Nikon 60-ki) from Sigma 18-125OS
obetivv really something I get another sold.
Let's look in comparison with the foregoing cheap obetivy from canon
http: // www. foto. ru / canon_ef75-300mm_f_4-5, 6_iii. html
http: // www. foto. ru / canon_ef75-300mm_f_4-5, 6_iii_usm. html
they will be better than SIGMA AF 18-200 DC (that comes integrated)

Now about Nikon: the body D60 - this is exactly how vrochem and canon 1000 models. . .
duplicate objects: http: // www. foto. ru / nikon_af-s_55-200_mm_f_4-5. 6g_if-ed_dx_vr_zoom. html
That seems all chose the cheapest.
Tip: either that or that! ! !

03.08.2009 22:31:00

Cheapest. . . Take 1000D, adapter M42- & gt; EOS with dandelion. And at your disposal a huge park cheap Soviet optics.

04.08.2009 2:36:00

Tip: either that or that! ! !
instead canon 75-300 must be taken canon 55-250 is, then you have chosen nikon vr.
can compare - in Nikon 50 less focus and it costs 11880 and canon 9550r.

04.08.2009 4:33:00

modest question - are you sure that the focus of more than 55mm for parties (porterty), nature, historical monuments. you need?
Maybe better to start to take an ordinary standard 18-55mm kit? (If you take the canon, then look for the version of this lens with stabilizer tobish with IS in the title).
Canon 1000D body + Canon EF-S 18-55 IS = ~ 21 Thousand. A
buy, if necessary, glass - always easy.

04.08.2009 5:44:00

quote:
Maybe better to start to take an ordinary standard 18-55mm kit? (If you take the canon, then look for the version of this lens with stabilizer tobish with IS in the name).
+100
if you buy a Canon telephoto - that 55-250 IS

and still look close to Olympus included a double-kit - if you do not count on the development (in terms of purchase of the park optics) is IMHO the best option
 

04.08.2009 19:27:00

modest question - are you sure that the focus of more than 55mm for a party (porterty), nature, historical monuments. will you need?
'm not sure because I do not vtemu. Maybe even with mesyatsok read the forums, and so on. N, and I'll know. But if you ask a question, you probably assume that this is not enough? What gives us this 55 mm - the focal length?

+100
if you buy a Canon telephoto - that 55-250 IS

and still look close to Olympus included a double-kit - if you do not count on the development (in terms of purchase of the park optics) is IMHO the best option

IS or OS (Optical Stabilizer smchle)
As stated above, all of a sudden it really is as a designer. . .

Guys, in three words, the fingers, without terminology for piercers (all relative)
on obetivah 17-80
55-250
17-250 (well, if there is such) - that under which sharpened. I hope the question is set properly?

instead canon 75-300 must be taken canon 55-250 is, then you have chosen nikon vr.
can compare - in Nikon 50 less focus and it costs 11880 and canon 9550r.

55-250 - 'cause Range more? Or what principle? What is "nikon you chose vr"? The phrase is unclear.

04.08.2009 19:39:00

55-250 because it is better, sharper. Excellent budget telephoto

05.08.2009 7:51:00

quote:
55-250 - 'cause Range more? Or what principle?
how are classics. . . "Will not beat on the passport and in the face" and buy lenses not only passport characteristics but also on the real picture

55-250 IMHO the best budget telezum from Canon on the crop, everything else is not worth buying

quote:
what "nikon you chose vr"
from Nikon vr denotes the stabilization (at Cannon referred to as IS, from Sigma as OS)

05.08.2009 13:52:00

in three words on the fingers, without terminology for piercers (all relative)
on obetivah 17-80
55-250
17-250 (well, if there is such) - that which is ground under

shoot cameras have a range begins with 18-28. If you zoom in soap dish fourfold (x4), then the lower bound is increased 4 times, it turns 110-150. In superzoom x12 reaches 350.
When photographing nature, buildings, people in full growth on their background, you need a lens from 17-28. Less does not make sense, the distortion is large, it is better to make a panorama. DSLR panoramic shooting mode is absent - uncomfortable. DSLR with LiveView it may be present, but the producers did not think about.
If photographing a person, then 50-80 to capture beautiful. More than 80 makes no sense - have far to depart and hands will tremble greatly. If
photographing women on the beach, birds on the tree, that to them not to frighten need 200-300.
For Canan is better to take the camera with the lens 18-55 / 3. 5-5. 6 complete - get cheaper 3000rub difference. By
kit lens you can buy the lens 55-250 IS, if you need the zoom range. He gives a very good picture quality is done - there is no spread of the characteristics of small and very cheap. Buy it as the only possible, but in an apartment in a full-length will be difficult to photograph, but the buildings will have to depart very far.
Take 17-250 can, but cheap and high quality with no stabilizer, said two lens will come cheaper.

05.08.2009 19:36:00
Thanks for the detailed. will be kept in mind.

Part Two marlezonstkogo Ballet:
looked characteristics D60. . . Well, this bird 100 pounds on TTX steeper than 1,000 canon. Who does that say on this subject? Yes agree that Nikon have obetivy more expensive, but it can be worth it?

05.08.2009 20:30:00

looked characteristics D60
He noisy CCD sensor = & gt; nafig nafig. 1000D although the functional and gutted, but there is a normal matrix, CMOS.

05.08.2009 20:34:00
Well, if you say so, it's okay.
And that knona no exposure to 3200 - it's nothing?

05.08.2009 20:46:00

Personally for me - nothing. If it is critical for you - take the D60, I though.

Surprised looked specs
Shutter 30-1 / 4000 sec (at Step 1/2 or 1/3 stop increments). Nonsense you wrote.

05.08.2009 20:53:00
Hmm. . . even in the reviews written like "oh what a pity that 1600 is the limit."
zyuyyu sorry I tupanul, it has been said about the ISO

05.08.2009 21:49:00

ISO 1600 even 1000D very little use, not to mention the 3200 D60 does not even know. This marketing tricks such as ISO 800 on the soap dish.

05.08.2009 22:08:00
ok. Thanks for the Old.

06.08.2009 2:14:00
Dear Double Dragon! I understand that you worry about what you need for the machine to buy. You expect that there is some configuration (or a brand) for the N of money, which significantly surpass the quality and functionality of all rivals. So because of the high competition in the market that does not work. Equally facing devices from different brands take off more or less the same. And in particular, I believe that the device type 1000D with stabilized whale - a very good start to move into the world of DSLRs.

When considering the variety of parameters for the entire range of vehicles should not be conducted on advertising such as "there is a ISO 6400, all the rest - fuckers", because you will rarely shoot, applying these limits, and they just will not be useful to you. But if the unit will not sit well in the hand comfortably for you weigh and have a sane interface, you will quickly get tired of shooting, whatever dabl- or triple kit lenses may have been included. Of all the different brands, I would look toward Nikon or Canon (more like that), since these brands range of software, accessories and lenses, as a rule, the widest.

And do not just baffling bag of accessories to the machine - suddenly the quality of shooting you will be satisfied, and a bunch of flashes-glass filters you for a long time will not be interested. And the price is great for the novice photographer can not play a role.

Now a little about the quality of shooting. If you remove the unit on full automatic, without thinking about lighting and composition of the frame, the photos will be one to one similar to the pictures with mnogomegapikselnyh shoot cameras (pulled-sfotkal-cleaned). And no mega lens (50 thousand rubles) will not help you. But over time, you will feel that if the right to stand relative to the light source, set the shooting mode in RAW (uncompressed) and manually set the correct number of settings, the picture will turn out much better. And it's absolutely any SLR. It's like driving a car - experience a greater effect on ride quality than the quality of the car (if we take into account the machine, do not vary greatly in price).

06.08.2009 2:38:00
the difference in the noise at ISO800 and 1600:
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / CanonEOS1000D / page32. asp
over 800 shoot pointless.
resolution:
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / CanonEOS1000D / page33. asp
pictures:
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / CanonEOS1000D / page24. asp
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / CanonEOS1000D / page28. asp
comparison features:
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / CanonEOS1000D / page23. asp
have 1000d seven areas of focus in three d60. Plays a role in the group shooting in automatic mode, otherwise it is more convenient leads to the point.

In previous Flame Canon EOS 450D, Nikon D60 or Sony A200? revealed minor shortcomings: d60 does not emulate a USB flash drive, you need to download our photos to insert the card into your computer. While pumping gallery through lace neshustroe deal easier to insert the card in the computer.
Software at Nikon poorer, no utility stitching panoramas, but the software is not a problem. At d60 has additional features for image processing in the camera.
have d60 no "screwdriver", though it is not necessary, but morally injures orthodox nikonovodov. In canon screwdrivers never been kenonovody not upset.

real difference between d60 and 1000d not, their characteristics in the same amount. Can play the role of a comparison of images, but the actual shooting results will mainly depend on the lens. The choice may affect psychology. For example, a child believed Nikon cool brand, the word Nikkor mellifluous and because of this device in your hands is a greater thrill than Canon.

06.08.2009 7:22:00
, Thanks you. It can be seen now it is the turn to torment sellers. And what to look for when buying. Heard that duplicate objects may not be suitable to the camera and will have to do the alignment in the SC. How to grasp - a new machine or someone yuzal and returned to mgazin. Is it possible to store pofotkat (well, let sellers do this). On your computer to have the same posotmret pictures? Posravnivat. . .

06.08.2009 10:34:00

And what to look for when buying

For all that taken to look for when buying household appliances - sealed packaging, a full set of accessories, warranty card from the manufacturer, no mechanical damage to the demonstration site. And do not bother with alignment - whale (complete) lens should go well with the carcass. And it's better to watch the machine in the office in which the service is more sane than that in which the lowest price (and service - sax).

06.08.2009 14:34:00

d60 does not emulate a USB flash drive, you need to download our gallery card is inserted in the computer

How so? I, however, D40, but it works fine as a "flash card", therefore I installed it, and do not use a cord with all sorts of family Nikon software.

software from Nikon poorer, no utility stitching panoramas

Hmm, PanoramaMaker? However, I do not remember whether this program with the D40 and Nikon compacts with just her and I was even used a few times.

real difference between d60 and 1000d not, their characteristics in the same amount.

Yes, although the set of parameters 1000D probably still a bit better will. When I choose - from low-end models were only 400D and D40, D40 And I picked up - and I immediately liked it, 400D was cooler, but not arm lay smooth slippery plastic did not like, and it cost a half times expensive, so I chose the Nikon.


Heard duplicate objects may not be suitable to the camera and will have to do the alignment in the SC.

Firstly, native lenses from Nikon and canon rarely suffer marriage, you need to check when purchasing third-party lenses such as Sigma. And secondly, whales (and on most budget) lenses back frontfokus see basically hard, t. To. These lenses are usually "dark" and have a greater depth of field in excess of the amount of possible focus error.

06.08.2009 19:42:00

How so? I, however, D40, but it works fine as a "flash card", therefore I installed it, and do not use a cord with all sorts of family programs Nikon
so in the topic written and nobody denied

Hmm, PanoramaMaker? However, I do not remember whether this program with the D40 and Nikon compacts with exactly was and I told her several times even enjoyed
c d60 goes:
Nikon Transfer
ViewNX
Nikon Capture NX (trial)
can and this is enough i do not know.


what to look for when buying. Heard that duplicate objects may not be suitable to the camera and will have to do the alignment in the SC. How to grasp - a new machine or someone yuzal and returned to mgazin. Is it possible to store pofotkat (well, let sellers do this). On your computer to have the same posotmret pictures? Posravnivat. . .
due d60-1000d you do not mess around. Please note whose guarantee (warranty card) - the manufacturer or the store. From the producer better able to adjust their servistsentr. Unsealed boxes, you have taken out a new or someone that did not like something difficult. Better to buy in those places where the flow of sales - a possibility that you will make a virgin box above.
scanned as usual appliances manufacturer of quality - set, cracks, chips, dents, bruising. You can even check for dead pixels, although the probability is low to see them. With the kit lens alignment accuracy will not see, it is only visible in the aperture lens.
Check on the camera screen that the test pictures in focus, there is no clear Rasfokus from one side edge (the seller dropped the box or clear type skew marriage innards), no suspicious sounds when recording, the lens no rattles, no dust between the panes, Flash works, spinning wheels, buttons huddle.

06.08.2009 20:18:00
1000d course
d60 - yes, even his nikonisty abuse

07.08.2009 13:03:00
Note
whose guarantee (warranty card) - the manufacturer or the store. From the producer better able to adjust their servistsentr.

From the producer is to be any guarantee. For Nikonov - a yellow card with a hologram, 2-year warranty. On kenon something like this too. Shop usually also gives a guarantee for six months or a year, it's so laid Zopp.

so in the topic written and nobody denied

asked now colleagues with D60 - said that the Explorer is displayed as "camera", but it is connected as an external drive and can be easily files back and forth to carry.

c d60 goes

Well, then panoramameyker I stayed on the soap dish. She, by the way, can the Nikon website for free.


d60 - yes, even his nikonisty abuse

What blame him something? Is that overprays he compared to 1000d, that D40 was more rational choice.

07.08.2009 13:40:00

d40 great camera, simple, makes beautiful pictures and high-quality, cheap
d60 is not so cheap, but it makes a noise like a steam engine (thanks to the matrix Sony 10 megapixel)
 

04.03.2010 21:42:00
Some stray topic. Bought in 1000
canon. Normal flight.
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