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10.05.2009 11:46:00
Going to get the CC with the possibility of shooting under water. What would be no problem to the water park, the beach, water and so on PLD. D. Very concerned about the quality of shooting in different conditions. Choose between:
1. Olympus Mju TOUGH-8000
2. Panasonic Lumix DMC-FT1
3. Canon PowerShot D10
4. Pentax Optio W60
In principle, 3 and 4, I dropped out of the focal length, size, and indeed as it is not very I like them, though they are, and if someone talk sense, then. . . . . . .
But between 1 and 2 completely stumped. . . Panasrik like almost all respects better (video, zoom, low-dispersion lenses, f-stop), but the Olympus 10 mtrov deep into , and Panasrik only 3 meters . The difference seems decent.
But we still have had very important, even the most important issue is the quality of everyday shooting. TK SLR do not want to buy, and apparently his wife dreamed dreams, but after my phrase "wear budesh itself" the issue was dropped completely, so they will all take a picture.
 

11.05.2009 21:16:00
Apparently I'm the only one dreamy burdock, who dreams of supervsevodnom. Maybe there is someone who will enlighten which camera in principle, better technology, design, picture quality, and so on. D. And then I almost do not understand, but not nearly
That footnote:
1. http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / specs / Olympus / oly_stylustough8000. asp
2. http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / specs / Panasonic / panasonic_dmcts1. asp
3. http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / specs / Canon / canon_d10. asp
4. http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / specs / Pentax / pentax_optiow60. asp
Or maybe something from Sonya expected, I heard they like foremost as the CC.

12.05.2009 16:21:00

best picture at the canon D10
hmm, vs w60 - how much better the left side of the frame with palm tree, so much the worse right with flowers.

12.05.2009 16:43:00
You have the ability to buy all 4 cameras? Just
choice usually comes down to Olympus and Pentax, and normally take PENTAX 60.
It is compact, easy to use, looks good - unlike the D10, for example.

12.05.2009 16:55:00

reviews true four-ton not on him:
http: // market. yandex. ru / model. xml? hid = 91148 & amp; mode ... 5068 & amp; clid = 502

way, the theme is interesting, very leisurely looking underwater bar of soap. T. k. Case for SLR is nemeryanyh dough, and attempts to remove the rollers iksusom with a soft case failed, but it was not very comfortable. So accomplish your goal, if there is one device, than who filmed under water, and if there are pictures, then all would be super!


12.05.2009 19:24:00

but Olympus 10 mtrov deep into
garbage. . . would not advise her to admire. . . not only because of the poor quality photo s
may be interested unless canon and Panas. . . either did not see or test. . . and PENTAX Olik and leave it alone. . . my advice to you. . . although PENTAX 5 thousand I would have bought. . . a lot of money is not worth it (but the sellers think differently)

17.05.2009 10:23:00
Thank you for
ssylkub in my opinion Panasrik and Penta gave the most interestno picture (in order of Pan 1st place). I already thought that

super human, and the price difference 150evro (although such is not critical) - Pan expensive, and in the store, like twisted pan, foams and Oli (sorry for the quality of the pictures in the test Oli dropped, pleasant crap to the touch), so the biggest pan and after a hard, so I think to take the pen, and that's what stopped: model year, so here here vydet something better (or at the pen very rarely updated model?), size only 4x3 photos, stabiz weird, aperture worse. . . . . . . . . . . general. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Here they are, here they are new torments

17.05.2009 14:24:00

and that's what stopped: model year

So what? The same dish soap. You are not her masterpieces will rivet (here need a mirror). The meaning of the soap dish: always carry and capture interesting moments.
A PENTAX these conditions perfectly suits.

17.05.2009 15:37:00
oddly enough, W60 does not flow as Olika enters the pocket,
and price / compact / functional good choice.

best picture at the canon D10
not only in your pocket to put it.

pictures of all these cameras are equally mediocre.

17.05.2009 17:43:00

and price / compact / functional good choice.
way he did and no stub.

pictures of all these cameras are equally mediocre.
not, there's still worth a look, there are instances pretty distracting from the overall series for the worse. and if such a miracle worth a couple thousand and you do not mind, but when ten - already as it is insulting.

18.05.2009 8:40:00

expensive in Russia?

18.05.2009 10:44:00

way, the theme is interesting, very leisurely looking underwater bar of soap. T. k. Case for SLR is nemeryanyh dough, and attempts to remove the rollers iksusom with a soft case failed, but it was not very comfortable. So accomplish your goal, if there is one device, than who filmed under water, and if there are pictures, then all would be super!
last year (after the holidays) saw in El Dorado hard sell boxes for Sonek (near the Iksus 60). Looked for some models suitable boxing photos found Sonya and her Canon, compared - almost one to one. Posted in the store 699 re for boxing, became home to customize the camera down into it. Added a pair of gum-pads - fotik rose almost like a native. Unfortunately, the buttons on the back panel do not match, but the basic function - "On / Off", zoom, downhill run. Try in action will be on vacation this year.

18.05.2009 10:59:00

Well. We are waiting for the results

18.05.2009 11:23:00
I am a happy owner of an underwater Olympus 770, if we talk about quality - it is normal for the money, for underwater photography to a depth of 10 meters at the time. Filmed in Egypt underwater world of coral reefs, pictures turned out normal. And used it in the ski resort, t. To. Snowdrift it is not terrible, and is not afraid to fall.
For normal shooting photos have budget SLR Nikon D60.

Esteemed about Panasonic, with the ability to shoot HD video is very interesting specimen, and if you do not dive deeper than 3 meters (its limit), it is a decent unit.

18.05.2009 12:10:00

it would be interesting to look at the pictures. Tell me, what I nasnimal iksusom in the universal soft case:
http: // speedboy. itmost. ru / Red_Sea / RedSea / index. html

T. k. fotik in the bag hanging, then the pictures have to rounding corners

18.05.2009 16:07:00

comparable quality, do not catch the nuances
If possible, I will lay out a bit for viewing pictures.

18.05.2009 21:06:00
And I, the farther the worse, to 15. 06 need to buy, and what I have no idea. I will agree to take a picture in the store all in different modes, then sgogyu in anyone, and I will consider. Or as always 15. 06 buy something, do not care what. Oli would take, but disappointing picture on the page. Pins with the most deshovy. Ken - coffin incomprehensible size (100% dropped out). Left:
Ban 385evro (basically crazy price for a bar of soap)
Pen 200evro (but not stub)
Oli 325evro (not far from the Pan)
Here sit down and think whether to take the more expensive models.

18.05.2009 21:35:00
quote:
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But we still have had very important, even the most important issue is the quality of everyday shooting. TK SLR do not want to buy, and apparently his wife dreamed dreams, but after my phrase "wear budesh itself" the issue was dropped completely, so they will all take a picture.
on this page have been?
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / zinvadim / album / 67746? p = 0
I Olympus MJU 1030. Earth pictures from Olympus, unfortunately, not very: face soap, indoors a lot of noise. But underwater shoots well. Video also congenital nothing. We look at the big screen (40 inches). We like. Recalls the warm Egyptian winter. But for terrestrial gallery, especially for portraits, Olympus is not suitable. Listen to his wife, buy a DSLR! You will not regret.

By the way here is a sample portrait: http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / ugonam-net / view / 38472 /? page = 0
Conditions were ideal for filming. Nikon D40 on it would be in fifty times better.


18.05.2009 21:51:00
I have two friends with inexpensive DSLRs and the same lenses. So the point in which 0, apart rate of (although great +) and opportunities in the dark (mostly with a tripod). The first 3 years after dragging bought a bar of soap, and now 90% of the pictures on it, the second recently bought (3 months) and is dragged from the "slope" and pictures - stuff (well, it is necessary to be able to better and optics) meaning shelkat on the machine or with a straight face ( in this case) by supertyka. And in everyday life soap (soap qualitative) as minim convenient, and compared with the budget of the mirror in many cases, not worse.

18.05.2009 22:03:00
quote:
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I have 2 friends with inexpensive DSLRs and the same lenses. So the point in which 0, apart rate of (although great +) and opportunities in the dark (mostly with a tripod). The first 3 years after dragging bought a bar of soap, and now 90% of the pictures on it, the second recently bought (3 months) and is dragged from the "slope" and pictures - stuff (well, it is necessary to be able to better and optics) meaning shelkat on the machine or with a straight face ( in this case) by supertyka. And in everyday life soap (soap qualitative) as minim convenient, and compared with the budget of the mirror in many cases, not worse.
You, unfortunately, mistaken and very very strong.
Although six months ago, I thought so too.

P. s.
See all the pictures from the Nikon D40 on the Internet and make the right conclusions.

That's at least those that caught pominuty for:
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / chapirina / view / 133914? page = 2
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / staftima / view / 113324? page = 0
If there is a CD that can give the same quality of the photos, I will gladly buy it tomorrow and even for 1000 euros.


18.05.2009 22:32:00

very concerned about the quality of shooting in different conditions. Choose between
Take it cheaper or more like in appearance.

18.05.2009 22:36:00
If you mean the blurred background, I'm not a fan of such strong portraits (probably alas), and if something else, I kind of like this mug (honest), I've seen a lot of pictures in different albums and agree that the album SLR there will be some, well, just super photos, but for the sake of this I am not ready to pull on itself a couple of extra pounds. I prekrastno realizing that under normal as a mirror it should be better (matrix size, luminosity, etc.. D.), Just my opinion (not as enthusiastic person clicks on the machine and only 20% of what is trying to set up manually) in most cases, daily life + printing 10x12 enough soap dish (leash would was good).
C'mon, this digression. That's what zaschischenka better fotkaet that's where the puzzle

I now have a camera down, and these are the pictures from it is possible vytyanut.
http: // www. dpreview. com / gallery / sonydscw7_samples /


18.05.2009 23:17:00

That's what zaschischenka better fotkaet that's where the puzzle
is not a puzzle, the solution is elementary - they all shoot about the same bad.
Tak that makes sense to pay attention to the previous models, can you can find something cheaper.
And the difference in price to buy b / y D40, Latin for 150 can be found .

18.05.2009 23:25:00

Thanks for the advice, but if we are in the family will take a mirror, then today it is likely to be D90. And it is certainly protected should be good.

19.05.2009 17:18:00

these are the pictures from it is possible vytyanut
Yeah, pictures - without tears will not look. Sorry - could not resist.
 

19.05.2009 17:31:00

I've seen a lot of pictures from the "Lord of Mirrors", and at this conference, including, after the mega treatments implies 90% hlamoshedevrov raspertyh pride, and 10% REALLY bad, even very good photos, but for bytovuhi in good light suit and decent dish soap. It's time to wean gentlemen at the Opera Hummer ride. for everything. Oli 620 can and closer to a simple machine gunners. Well, maybe I have vision problems.
And I want to buy zaschischenku with best picture and everything else - the eternal debate about anything. Each will remain in my opinion.

19.05.2009 17:59:00

just wondering, do you really going to dive to 10 meters and make informed footage?

on some time ago observed the different "all-weather Soap". Honestly, is not impressed none

often offer a budget solution - any soap dish, the most suitable for you quality + akvapak (soft case) to it. IMHO

19.05.2009 18:04:00

I shot with a soft. sucks. inconvenient.

19.05.2009 21:40:00
Here you can usually at 10 and do not always succeed, but 4-6 is not a problem (awareness, however, well, very much will ). And most importantly do not want a bunch of cameras tuscany behind him. Well, I'm lazy . So you want to, apparently what has not yet produced . That is to go with the child in Dislend and Asterix (tickets now benefit from us for three roundtrip 200evro), so I want to take pictures in the water park and water slides.

20.05.2009 22:12:00

And please tell me, in akvapake he just hangs out how. . . . . . . . . c. . . . . . . . . ? Just natural to buy something better, Tipo Ban tz7 or Canon skh200 and to him what some have adapted.

21.05.2009 9:08:00

I have not tried all the universal akvapaki, but I will not be wrong if I say that did so. The problem is not likely that he fotik there hanging out, and that the lens is hanging out there (as aptly M.) as. . . . c. . . . . . ! Accordingly, in my case it was the black space at the corners. And I chose the more pictures. Some were on the floor of the frame are closed. And when you sausage on the waves, it is necessary to follow the fish, not to drown, do not run into the coral, so ische lens and constantly wants uprygat aside. Sobsna so I'm looking for a camera down a holster poobschyatsya or native cover. But the price tags on family cases can kill any desire to own

21.05.2009 11:31:00
quote:
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Here you can usually at 10 and do not always succeed, but 4-6 is not a problem (awareness, however, well, very much will ).
e. Are you ready to dive (not to scare away the fish), to stay at a certain depth (remember, in the Red Sea corals for grab is not welcome), build a frame, focus, and shoot it in accordance with the idea?

quote:
Here to go with the child in Dislend and Asterix (tickets now benefit from us for three roundtrip 200evro), so I want to take pictures in the water park and water slides.
From my experience, the best shots in the last trip to the water park were made completely unprotected D300. Scene is a roller coaster (t. E. In the process of rolling) was filmed a couple. A protection required in the main not to shoot, and for that would not clean up every time the camera. Although the feasibility of drag on the slide to chamber a person I have is an ambiguous opinion - it's not safe, either for you or for the camera.

But if you return to the topic of choice - you can see the model with original boxes. Will be stronger and more convenient than akvapak, though more expensive. Walk on the forum topic was raised many times.

21.05.2009 19:26:00
quote:
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Here you can usually at 10 and do not always succeed, but 4-6 is not a problem (awareness, however, well, very much will ). And most importantly do not want a bunch of cameras tuscany behind him. Well, I'm lazy . So you want to, apparently what has not yet produced . That is to go with the child in Dislend and Asterix (tickets now benefit from us for three roundtrip 200evro), so I want to take pictures in the water park and water slides.
If Disneylenl, only the mirror, the mirror only. I am the same D40 in a very heavy snow and rain recently. Was all wet (camera), very afraid, but nothing wrong with it did not happen. Still shoots very well.
That's the way the photo of the rain with the exhibition:
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / ugonam-net / view / 39561? page = 0
http: // fotki. yandex. ru / users / ugonam-net / view / 39545? page = 0
Do not pretend to be an artistic component. But look at what the camera gives color! ! ! And it is in the rain and almost evening.

21.05.2009 20:46:00


Although I already old , but at 3-5 meters, such as I can (fortunately, his childhood and adolescence in the water sports were carried out). Branded box 250 + shipping Hell, and they gromostkie kakieto, And I akvapaki in the country today is not Lotysh Founded . So to see what it is.

Yes I like understand that a good mirror (with optics) is better than a great soap dish (but poor, with the same bad optics, is a question), so long as they are large, and not until the size of the matrix will not allow to do a little (well over time will certainly be a cigarette package with a pipe - the lens, but as a hand-held ). So you want something compact that is, all the magic. . . . . . . . . . .

21.05.2009 21:31:00

If Disneylenl, only the mirror, the mirror only.
but what really there, SF must take, no less!

p. s. Yet it is necessary to determine what to do there - rest with soap, or removed from the tomb.

21.05.2009 21:50:00
Examples of movies with Olympus:
http: // video. yandex. ru / users / ugonam-net / view / 1 /
http: // video. yandex. ru / users / ugonam-net / view / 2 /
http: // video. yandex. ru / users / ugonam-net / view / 3 /

+ in defense of Olympus want to say that he did not killed. I forget his three days of salt wash, worked like clockwork. The truth is very deeply immersed. Already nafotkah about 5 gigs (it's somewhere gallery 2000). And most importantly - he passed the test sister. And it really is an indicator for very rare electronic mechanism survive in the hands of my sister.

22.05.2009 11:59:00

Honestly, I do not rollers filed. Clarity gone under compression, or the original just looks? later his lay.

22.05.2009 12:15:00

quote:
akvapaki I am today in the country Lotysh not nashol. So to see what it is.
It's a waterproof plastic bag, the name of the common noun "aquapac", designed to protect not ctolko photos, and other electronic devices.
link - http: // www. aquapac. net / usstore / erol. html # 588X0
analogue - http: // www. foto. ru / category. php? id = 666 & amp; brand_id = 157
For photo solution expensive, but equally uncomfortable, IMHO.

Although plastic box is more expensive and bulky compared to akvapakom - convenience food begs comparison with porcelain and plastic plates. I prefer the first

22.05.2009 13:36:00
that's what I was shooting. Again this besyachy Case climbs steadily into the lens
http: // speedboy. itmost. ru / Red_Sea / video /
compression almost certainly spoil the picture, but the original with the camera down - 311M

23.05.2009 12:18:00
Izvinite, pishu s kompa bez russkoj klavi. A esli ego na dvuhstoronnij skoch zababahatj v etot aquapac, pomozet?

25.05.2009 9:44:00

well, it sucks how to get something then? He inserted the same side, and double sided tape usually horseradish otorvesh.

29.05.2009 20:24:00

at Panas FT1 glass sweats!
Well if you first fill into the humid air, and then cooled - from anyone zapoteet. see bad the Chinese physics at school.

05.06.2009 14:59:00
Well, ordered a Leica c-lux3 (benefit in Germany now costs 287 Evros, here and decided to see what kind of animal) and ordered Dicapac 410. Sit and will paste your camera down on a metal double-sided tape, but we'll see.

05.06.2009 19:35:00

benefit in Germany now costs 287 Evros, here and decided to see what kind of beast
and not expensive? we've got Panas FX37 in $$ is worth a little less.

05.06.2009 20:40:00

We Panas costs about 230-240 Evros and Leica I try to take the company excluded (t. E. 287/1. 19 = 241 Well if you will), and if not, it seems prettier. And I thought until Founded couple comparative tests, so they Watering at high ISO wins, and low like better (maybe self-hypnosis testing) they programki different and kind of like dogovorchik have that Lake Well just a little better than it should be.
crisis will subside wife SLR buy. . . . . And we will be happy
And the word of choice, fotkali in store for a long time everyone, I proposed the camera down (in the beginning of the topic), so all fotkaet scary gnustno (panasrik barely barely anything), well, only Canon "bathyscaphe" D10 on something like may submit a request

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09.06.2009 22:13:00
rivezli
Leica to where it belongs - in the garden
money thrown away
My old Sony W12 is much higher (as it 5 years)
I do not know now what to do. Full turbidity, Sonya in 10000000 times sharper. Such a wonderful soap did not expect.

17.06.2009 16:07:00
Here, too, decided to get a "bulletproof" Soap. . . he is not a photographer. . . fotik therefore only used for different kinds of events. . which "bulletproof" as nowhere to place.
choose from the same list. . .
Olympus - "on the garden" was a girl, too, "complete haze." . and indeed this office I do not like
PENTAX - also threw. . stabilizer is not there (although I do not know how much it useful thing) is more ancient than the rest of the model, from which it concluded that he was already out of date. . something better later on to take. . forward progress is coming! . . . the newer more interesting
remained Canon and Panasonic. . . view Canon does not scare! but all indicators Panasonic wins. . . but Canon good reputation. . . Canon has always enjoyed many happy remained. . . Panasonic had a case (
that suggest? important that the picture was clear and nimble.
Can schaslivo obadateli Panasonic Lumix DMC-FT1 and Canon PowerShot D10 leave a couple of remarks... thank you
 

31.10.2009 17:01:00
Took the D10. . . excellent device. . . spent the summer with him at sea. . Basically all arranged. . . Picture in most cases it turns clear. . normal color. . time to focus not significant. . . (Do not have to stand with a straight face and wait until he's prokrehtitsya) but there are also some photos with a bit blurred faces. . . where that 1 out of 30. but I think it's normal. . . hand can jerked. . . or focused the camera down on something else. . . and unusual design more like it. . . lie on the beach watching the neighbors on the "soap-box" with contempt. . then you take a walk into the water with her and everyone starts whispering)))
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