Soap for poor lighting.

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03.03.2009 10:02:00
Good day.
Help me choose a bar of soap to take pictures in low light: clubs, parties, and so on. N. The main thing - to the small size of ipoluchaemoe image is not blurred.
This topic was raised earlier, in Vol. H. And me, but I would like to know that from the new advise. Yet chose http: // www. 3dnews. ru / digital / panasonic_dmc_fx150 What do you think? Does anyone have experience of using this device in a bad light? Please
possible spread examples of photos.
Thank you.

almost forgot. Desirable wide-angle lens.
 

03.03.2009 10:12:00

and read existing topics?

03.03.2009 10:19:00
Was Reading. Specifically about the soap dish in low light conditions not found.

03.03.2009 10:23:00
there is not a bar of soap to choose necessary, and artillery searchlight. . .

03.03.2009 10:25:00
2Moonlight Rambler Yes it is clear Just two evils choose the lesser. So I want to hear advice on the case. Preferably with photos.

03.03.2009 10:29:00
Just
of two evils choose the lesser
from what is evil?
must choose fotoaparat not more than a cover will
without light with good technical quality, no SLR can not cope with a light Fix

03.03.2009 10:33:00
Built-in flash will illuminate What are angry? Of those that are presented on the market today.
understand perfectly that super-duper quality under the given conditions do not have to qualify, but still would like to hear advice on specific models.

03.03.2009 11:05:00

built-in flash will illuminate
then any

03.03.2009 11:14:00


Comrade absolutely right when he said - the main thing lighting. . . !
If you're interested, look what happens on the Canon 5D Mark II + Canon 35mm 1. 4L without flash and without any extra lighting in night clubs:



Conclusion - you can see the person - you need flash, preferably outside of course. .

Although convey the atmosphere. . . possible without the light

03.03.2009 11:15:00
As practice shows - not any. Some better, some worse. Once again, welcome specific tips specific models.

2BoksЁr Thank you for a specific example
course Price on Canon 5D Mark II is impressive
In fact of the matter is that, as I said earlier, super quality under the given conditions is required. It is clear that the soap dish is simply unable to provide it.
repeat - quality in compact digital cameras in low light is very, very different. My an old Minolta Z3 generally even T will not name, so bad. On newer models, the situation is better, but again different models all in different ways. That's why I want to look at the relevant photos for different models, to know that it represents a particular device.


03.03.2009 13:22:00
welcome concrete advice on specific models.

From the new best meet your requirement Panasonic G1. Among his peers nezerkalok not yet nothing even close. Bypasses the noise on some entry-level SLR. Examples of images with any parameters and the shooting conditions in the network - and no small wagon cart.

03.03.2009 13:57:00
2is Uchtu. But I would like something pokompaktnee.

03.03.2009 13:59:00
quote:
From the new best meet your requirement Panasonic G1. Among his peers nezerkalok not yet nothing even close. Bypasses the noise on some entry-level SLR. Examples of images with any parameters and the shooting conditions in the network - and no small wagon cart.

Yes here. . . recently appeared like Samsung NX. . .

03.03.2009 14:06:00
No soap dish depends on the model of quality, or rather the model is almost independent.
A depends on the amount of light. If
even without flash - horror complete. If
with built-in flash - a person somehow illuminated from behind - complete darkness.
But add a couple of tens of joules in the ceiling - the picture changes radically.
Regardless of the soap dish.
himself enjoyed Nikon 3200, 7900, p5100 + flash with automatic svetosinhronizatorom - it is possible to shoot.

03.03.2009 14:39:00
Take a look at a branch about Panasonic LX3, Fuji F200.
Or any soap dish with a flash shoe, the most compact with an acceptable detail and price Nikon P5100.
I would choose for an acceptable price of them.

03.03.2009 14:41:00
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Comrade absolutely right when he said - the main thing lighting. . . !
If you're interested, look what happens on the Canon 5D Mark II + Canon 35mm 1. 4L without flash and without any extra lighting in night clubs:

ISO 3200?

03.03.2009 14:56:00
2Sergey, Sumy You examples of pictures in low light by chance no? And what is this "svetosinhronizator" I'm not a tabletop versed in photographic technique


Nikon P5100 is certainly big. I would like the device without the "protruding" handles.
Fuji F200 and Panasonic LH3 certainly impressed characteristics. . . Well, prices F200 also look come.
The photos in low light with lx3 somebody there?


03.03.2009 15:49:00

FUJI F50fd, F60fd, F100fd in reference comparator for comparing the quality of different cameras http: // www. imaging-resource. com / IMCOMP / COMPS01. HTM . FUJI F60fd other cheaper, but as I think no one loses.

03.03.2009 16:05:00

http: // www. imaging-resource. com / IMCOMP / COMPS01. HTM

There also is a Lx3 other with all ISO, choose the most pleasant for you picture.
Lx3 thicker Nikon P5100. On
Lx3 - there is a separate branch with all tests.

03.03.2009 16:23:00

very interesting link, thanks
surprised that F60fd at ISO800 or more noise is much smaller Panasonic lx3.
pity, of course, that is not represented by a photo with Panasonic FX150 and no photos in low light. . .


thickness LX3 - 27mm thickness P5100 in the pen - 41.
Yes, a branch about LX3 I saw, thank you.


03.03.2009 16:47:00


surprised that F60fd at ISO800
With Fuji in low light namuchaetes - only manual mode on the machine
While the flash is rather weak.

photos with the Panasonic FX150
photos with this device in an Internet a heap, but it makes a noise, even in good light.

join the comrades who advise Nikon P5100 with external pyhoy!
If you really need a wide angle and have an extra pair of triple thousands watching Nikon P6000.

03.03.2009 17:29:00

Hmm. . . Very useful information. Thank U.
What do you think about R5100 without external flash? Or is no better option than the others?

03.03.2009 18:18:00


What do you think about R5100 without external flash? Or is no better option than the others?
See the camera with the most powerful built-in flash. The result will be much worse.

03.03.2009 18:51:00
Not soap dish depends on the model quality, or rather the model is almost independent.
A depends on the amount of light. If
even without flash - horror complete. If
with built-in flash - a person somehow illuminated from behind - complete darkness.
But add a couple of tens of joules in the ceiling - the picture changes radically.
Regardless of the soap dish.


Yeah, do not depend on the reliability of the bridge crossing, the bridge is completely independent! It depends on the width of the body of water. Dried river - and no bridge is not necessary, all well and good and ferry - things fun. Walked to the river - water, moisture, shells, frogs, wading abomination. Picked up, rolled up his sleeves pumped water out of it, drank and went without glyazi and stench, Hurrah! And the sea, and the ocean?
Dozhilis, speculation. . .
Evening city also will pyhoy zapyhivat, to hell? Romance by candlelight - filled with light all this stupid romance - in the twilight nefig Shusha-panky breed. Yup? Fire and hollow candle on? Entered the temple - broads of all flare-caliber images for REDD iconostasis, huh?
For a not passing Friday consciousness rooted in the forum. . . Beriberi, whether chronic. . .

03.03.2009 21:30:00
so the temple with a tripod. . . uncivilized somehow, that is. and it's dark to on the phone CD with hands to shoot and SLR of the question was not raised.

03.03.2009 22:59:00

thickness LX3 - 27mm

It's a lie, go and look in the shop and you will see that the lens barrel with a lid acts on 45-50mm
Panasonic LX3 - the first signs of a new approach? (LX3 much more "pocket" than G10, but because the cover has a thickness of about 5 centimeters.
)
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / panasonicdmclx3 /


What do you think about R5100 without external flash? Or is no better option than the others?

This is the perception of noise reduction depends Nikon fine white noise rash since ISo400. But
items so overwrites. I such an option would be more like it.


surprised that F60fd at ISO800 or more noise is much smaller Panasonic lx3.

Then maybe you better take Fuji, no noise, they are obscure, but the details gradually prevraschayutsya in semolina.

In Lx3 if you read the thread has a noise reduction settings to your liking, or noise or mess. Or Raw.
+ aperture more on stage.

 

04.03.2009 1:02:00
Wrote here and Fuji and Nikon.
But it seems to me that here the answer is obvious, you need dish soap (any more or less normal CD) with bashkakom a flash, and then all will be well. IMHO, LX3 is not the best option, but fine.

04.03.2009 7:32:00

need dish soap (any more or less normal CD) with bashkakom a flash, and then all will be well.

Yes, then any color / light / shadow atmosphere of a real scene to kill and destroy can be the most guaranteed, Gulf of everything alien strong light. If your goal is to reach malozashumlennyh scenes at this price, you are absolutely right.

pain anywhere in the body can be removed quickly and reliably radically, amputating it. All right, when the inflamed appendix, but sometimes it hurts the heart and lungs, and head. . .

"Do no harm, do not overdo it, do not argue with nature!". (C) The commandments of the doctor and the photographer.

04.03.2009 9:44:00
Thanks to everyone who responded - found a lot of useful things.
desirable, of course, something compact that you can put in your pocket. But from the options, as I understand, we have a Nikon P5100 (or similar) + external flash or LX3.
variant with an external flash disappears, t. To. If agree to the flash, then lose compactness, and here it is already possible and take the SLR. About LX3 pretty mixed reviews - who praises, who scolds. Plus it 4-5 cm in thickness
While all of the "evils" tend to LX3. Tell me, is there any more compact version worthy of consideration, provided that I would take photos without external flash?

04.03.2009 9:54:00

quote:
Help me choose a bar of soap to take pictures in low light: clubs, parties, and so on. N. The main thing - to the small size of ipoluchaemoe image is not blurred.
in me now probably will throw tomatoes, but IMHO a soapbox simply does not exist in nature. . . not even any mirror or any lens can handle it.

At least even my fifty dollars 1000D + 1. 8 in low light byz blaze will issue a course that will fit up to a black-and-white or sepia. . .

to get your photos - you need a light


quote:
If you're interested, look what happens on the Canon 5D Mark II + Canon 35mm 1. 4L without flash and without any extra lighting in night clubs:
"penny" - it certainly is a force but do these photos on something cheaper penny IMHO unlikely. . .

04.03.2009 11:54:00

Tell me, is there any more compact version worthy of consideration, provided that I would take photos without external flash?

The question still is whether you take pictures in the main with built-in flash with overexposed faces and unexamined background.

Or will raise up to ISO 1600-3200 with a significant level (or very important) of different types of noise and noise reduction artifacts.

Another option is to rise to an acceptable level (ISO800) turn the flash on low power, get the most acceptable medium nice option.
But this is more manual settings and what that experience.

you have been offered options, the maximum combines these two approaches.

marriageable type models P5100, Lx3, Fuji f60 (F200 will think through the month 2 test pictures also have a branch of the same name). IMHO, sometimes, if the object is less slow-moving. Pictures can be printed 10x15. (Perhaps with some refinement post on the computer).
poizuchat Exposure value what you may need in your context and whether they are real with another camera down to take the time.

It seems to me for your level of photography, it is better (and cheaper) F60, P5100.
Although Lx3, during the experimental approach has a greater margin of Exposure value and postprocessing.
(if you want to delve seriously, take it)
On Lx3 still not a bad continuous shooting, which also help to get out of 5 Rejection gallery 1 include a decent series.

general among compact digital cameras is going struggle for an acceptable quality of recording medium ones in the room and not the gloomy darkness clubs. And not have to deysvitelno notes on memory, but really need an external flash photos.


Tell me, is there any more compact version worthy of consideration, provided that I would take photos without external flash?

Aperture 2, 0 only when he has other parameters of acceptable noise, old Fuji F20, F30, F31 (which is not released) and have not yet released to the public F200 (at a certain quality issue because of the lack of test data)
remaining lose about one or more steps in accordance with ISO.
Well, you can see the photo on Jesus Matrix 1/1, 7 (960, 980). In Jesus 960
like Raw can open.


04.03.2009 12:12:00
External flashes are compact and even wireless, for example AcmePower SF20. Tried fine Panasonic FX10.

04.03.2009 12:14:00

What you say about the following comment

With Fuji in low light namuchaetes - only manual mode on the machine
While the flash is rather weak.

04.03.2009 12:31:00

And about focus speed what do you think? In poor lighting conditions other reflex induced long, as for compact digital cameras. . . Well, if not, it is important to catch the occasional moment, and most importantly you can remove the frame - will do. But can crawl long, and not the fact that the right focus. Marriage will be a lot.

04.03.2009 12:37:00

Hmm. It would be interesting to learn about this parameter in the models discussed here.

04.03.2009 12:44:00

What you say about the following comment about the
Fudge will not say more at the old models of 2007 was t. N. problem with the AUTO mode. We can assume that she stayed.
essence of the "problem" is that the machine liked to bully ISO above a reasonable limit. For instance, in the afternoon to put the ISO 400 with all the consequences. . . "TN." - Because AUTO personally I did not need, the head need to think of himself, at least a little bit - A mode expose - and in control only chtby exposure was short enough to avoid blurring. If that - you raise the ISO. My 6500 th and now with me, leave for the winter, and so on. N.
regards to filming in a club - if the site is dark enough, the problem with focusing on moving people will constantly. Tried already and sworn never to take even a soap box in such places. For me personally miss 5-10% 20-30% autofocus and missed the interesting moments - too high a price for a large depth of field and low cost equipment. It is better to mirror.
p. P. shooting course only pyhoy, Fudge 6500 th - it's not the 2nd Snout. . .

04.03.2009 12:47:00

Iskander_30
What you say about the following comment


I f all fotikom I can not shoot, Fuji F20 which seems to be worse than the new ones, according to my standards removes bearable. All the drama at school normally exposed, the level of lighting is quite low, ISo800-2000. Marriage only blurring.
I put only eksporrektsiyu -1/3. And it is buggy with overexposure more on a sunny day where I put -2/3.
Flash I use little, and if you need it for short distances, so to say weak or not there is nothing to compare.
Removes flash softer as lifts ISO therefore need less power.
What he shot worse than the Canon A510 color reproduction can not say.

Panasonic Tz2 me in terms of color in the room like a lot less. A
machines uluchshayutsya from model to model rather slowly.

Comments about P5100 just read in the thread does not focus quickly but accurately. And once shot a few pieces. pictures at an exhibition.

Well and High ISO harakterezuyutsya fact that you are so unlikely to be the case, chromatic aberration, the white balance. . . The primary quality parameter will be noise and blurring. On the built-in flash, I would totally did not expect.

04.03.2009 12:47:00

It would be interesting to learn about this parameter in the models discussed here.
about what? focusing speed in bad lighting conditions? and how to compare? conditions are different. And say what you will focus speed range from 1, 5 to 15 seconds? What to shoot even at 1, 5 seconds, when the frame is another?

04.03.2009 12:50:00
Try to make a heresy for which I was not that tomatoes and sent to the stake. .

romance of semi-dark club. . by candlelight. . . . - It can convey an artist paints.
On camera, and especially with the soap, even advanced, there is nothing to do.

be in our head with a processor that dorisovyvaet what our eyes can not see (and, in addition, it is surrounded by a halo of romance). Neither the camera, nor even in a computer with photoshop of this processor is not, so the semi-darkness of the climbs only noise. . .

artist can paint transfer images, the camera - alas

04.03.2009 12:54:00

day supply ISO 400 with all the consequences. . .

to shoot in the room and the club is not an issue was sufficient detail to print 30x20 and was limiting mode ISO to 400. And in the room less than 400 are almost never needed. And in my new more discretely can set limits.

For me miss 5-10% 20-30% autofocus and missed the interesting moments

Well if so then remove yes, I have the task At least one-third gallery would be non-defective.
Best probability soap under similar conditions is achieved.
I shoot more on luck than on the story.

04.03.2009 13:05:00

to shoot in the room and the club is not an issue was sufficient detail to print 30x20 mode and was limited to ISO 400.
in 6500 th Fuji and the whole of the series (9500, 9600) had no restrictions ISO mode. it was possible to obtain ISO 1600 theoretically bright sunny day with a hole 8 and vydezhkoy 1/4000. But such experiments are not conducted, t. To. Shot in this mode, only a few frames. Even if it worked correctly, to me it would not be necessary.
+ 20x30 with ISO 400 is difficult to be called perfect. I recall that at that Fuji matrix was only 6 megapixel and 1/1, 7 inches - its ISO 800 - ISO 200-400 is about 10-12 on the matrix megapixel 1/2, 5 inches (most recent shoot cameras).

my task At least one-third gallery would be non-defective.
technically non-defective? and why are they if they will not be anything interesting? Will have guaranteed only staged scenes.

04.03.2009 13:16:00

20x30 with ISO 400 is difficult to be called perfect. I recall that at that Fuji matrix was only 6 megapixel and 1/1, 7 inches - its ISO 800 - ISO 200-400 is about 10-12 on the matrix megapixel 1/2, 5 inches (most recent shoot cameras).

Well then swill ISo400 Fuji will ISO150 10-12 megapiks shoot cameras. With ISO 100
shoot cameras in my face nice 20x30. But this is a personal impression.

technically non-defective? and why are they if they will not be anything interesting? Will have guaranteed only staged scenes.

Partially agree fairly large share of luck. Well, depends on how the spotlight will turn posvetelee looking scene.

04.03.2009 14:32:00
quote:
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will try to make a heresy for which I was not that tomatoes and sent to the stake. .

romance of semi-dark club. . by candlelight. . . . - It can convey an artist paints.
On camera, and especially with the soap, even advanced, there is nothing to do. In our
be the head processor that dorisovyvaet what our eyes can not see (and, in addition, it is surrounded by a halo of romance). Neither the camera, nor even in a computer with photoshop of this processor is not, so the semi-darkness of the climbs only noise. . .
artist can paint transfer images, the camera - alas
huge grain of truth in this. . . how many times this was - you see funky story, FOTA. . look at home on the computer - garbage turned out. . . . and like technically okay, but still garbage. .

04.03.2009 14:40:00

Well then swill ISo400 Fuji will ISO150 10-12 megapiks shoot cameras.
somewhere so, but ISO 150 do not have soap dishes, there are ISO 100 and 200.
Iso 100 with flash of course should be good. If the blaze is not quite weak.

04.03.2009 15:04:00
In my opinion, is absolutely right:

romance of semi-dark club. . by candlelight. . . . - It can convey an artist paints.
On camera, and especially with the soap, even advanced, there is nothing to do. In our
be the head processor that dorisovyvaet what our eyes can not see (and, in addition, it is surrounded by a halo of romance). Neither the camera, nor even in a computer with photoshop of this processor is not, so the semi-darkness of the climbs only noise. . .
artist can paint transfer images, the camera - alas


All modern soap dish middle class are usually the same properties of the matrix, which make them a third-party company. So there is little point in looking for extra favorites here.
laws of physics somehow spit on the label and brand, and want more photons. Therefore, a black cat in a dark room, still, hard object to capture even the SLR.
So shoot cameras comparison results when shooting in low-light will most likely comparing the aggressiveness shumodava.
A requirement that the medium or when shooting moving objects in a very club and drinking-spree would go without blurring when shooting without a flash - "this is my son, Science Fiction" (c)

Incidentally, this topic on the forum already there fifth or sixth time, but potentsialnye paparazzi all are not appeased. Type "haaaachu maaalenky apparatik, shoot in the dark, to find out what they do Masha and Pasha in a dark alley."
The first of these seems to have been tovarisch who wanted to know who he stealing pumpkins at night in the garden. . .

04.03.2009 15:11:00

think you're wrong. To transfer the "romance nightclub", (assuming that it exists) not too important blurring and noise, and draw in all the pixels is not necessarily, in any case, the artist precisely this will not do. So the idea about the artist does not apply to the subject of the CMC.

04.03.2009 15:18:00

not too important blurring and noise,
Duc, personally I somehow agree with that. Moreover, that quote is not mine.
This author (see. First post) really wants:
main thing - that the small size and the resulting image is not blurred.

04.03.2009 15:37:00
I want to also note the words of the author

Once again, welcome specific advice on specific models.
in flames like "everything bad in the given conditions" is not necessary. There is a clear issue that requires a clear answer

04.03.2009 15:45:00

There are clear question that needs a clear answer
IMHO, this is no soap dish.
If this clarity is not satisfied, it is possible to leave only the last two words of the previous sentence.
 

04.03.2009 15:46:00
quote:
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external flashes are compact and even wireless, for example AcmePower SF20. Tried fine Panasonic FX10.

At Panasonic FX10 and its flash is not bad, but if the light is not enough, then of course better to add a little bit to not get a photo of the fog.
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