FAQ: Canon EOS 450D / Digital Rebel XSi Volume III


07.02.2009 15:49:00

Well, I mean, like "summer landscape in the field"
 

07.02.2009 17:05:00

I do not believe in the existence of so small bags. Just
it has no place for a maximum of one card. I rented a RAW "s and a couple of times, when 2 of 4 GB card is not enough. And so fotik + 3 lens, homemade pultik, cleaning pen, 2 memory cards and instructions. Designated there, so once again not to risk scratch anything anymore.


sd because you can pour even there, where is the camera itself (under him, and from the top), and then 10 pieces easily just pop in between the edge of the bag and the unit can be!
and microsd not even 4 fit, and 100!

I meant to take one case for SD "nis and cram it into microSD card, after which it was put to the department where now one of 4 GB is.

07.02.2009 17:15:00

2 memory cards and instruction manual
what? !

a memory card just have to take the 16

07.02.2009 17:35:00

just a gesture. . . problem lit, do tighter USB flash drive in your pocket you can not just shove all necessarily so in the bag?
SS. Seen for Pentax battery handle with a compartment for storing flash drives

07.02.2009 17:53:00

just a gesture. . . problem lit, do tighter USB flash drive in your pocket you can not just shove all necessarily so in the bag?
Yes no problem, no, you just want to hear the opinion, who also made a sudden? In the pockets is not always convenient and there is a chance to forget.


a memory card just have to take the 16
At the time, not considered to be very reliable. And so, in principle, yes.

07.02.2009 18:02:00

At the time, not considered to be very reliable
two 8 then

07.02.2009 18:45:00

Simply it has no place for a maximum of one card. I rented a RAW "s and a couple of times, when 2 of 4 GB card is not enough.
Where is it you're just poltyschi images otschelkali?

07.02.2009 19:37:00

I do not know how to shoot, so a lot of clicking and from this a lot of garbage in practice. Sort does not always work out.

07.02.2009 20:32:00

The thing is that I do not persist for more than kllichestvo versions of the same image.
In addition, such a question about the "Picture Style", no one asked, so I'm not particularly paying attention to him. Of course, the difference between styles is, but it is not that big.

No, just this question was asked before. And I thought that you should pay attention to him. And now I think that this thing should apply.


is more theoretical interest, as I take in equal (though konverchu with Norman style and not Faithfull)
on the other hand, after sitting in the editor, you can create a couple of decent styles for specific cases, for example, summer landscape and immediately snimaat in zhpeg, not in vain in the canon were made editor

not always convenient to shoot once in RAW. Places takes a lot. Yes and sit above each photo is not always convenient.


a memory card just have to take the 16
A map of this volume is suitable?

07.02.2009 20:35:00
A map of this volume is suitable?
yes

07.02.2009 20:37:00

Yes and sit above each photo is not always convenient.
Then RAW + JPEG. Or batch conversion. All the same, the main advantage of RAW - reversibility processing - remain.

07.02.2009 20:43:00

not always convenient to shoot once in RAW.
The only reason not to shoot in RAW - the need to shoot long series.

takes a lot of places.
With modern flash price - not serious.

Yes and sit above each photo is not always convenient.
Who makes?

07.02.2009 20:47:00
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Friends!
I'm from St. Petersburg. Now where did not buy the 450D, already the third week looking for. . . Does anyone know where still really find it now? Though
to order somewhere to take? If
through ebay to take that with a warranty? it is the "world" or only "locally" is valid, and therefore disappear?
Book in TreydOnlayn (OnlaynFoto) on suburban, quickly brought from Moscow, I took a whale fall, brought the next day, the box was not even opened, with a guarantee everything is OK, with a focus too, and so. D.
the way the price was the most beneficial for all stores in that period

07.02.2009 20:48:00

but why sit on each photo? because the converter with parameters exposed in the camera itself will process all photos in batch mode, but better than zhpeg from the camera

07.02.2009 21:25:00
All , and someone will convert cr2 to jpeg using XnView?

07.02.2009 21:27:00

The only reason not to shoot in RAW - the need to shoot long series.
It is slower and is written to the flash drive as I understand it. I often shoot in series.

Who makes?
Well, not until I learned this business. editing Jpeg I have become skilled. When I edit Jpeg, then I just saved in the TIFF. If I had to then print again. I understand that from RAW is better, but I have to learn it.


but why sit on each photo? because the converter with parameters exposed in the camera itself will process all photos in batch mode, but better than zhpeg from the camera
Well, as I understand it, if the images in the same situation. And if I take every day a little bit differently. The same settings will not work?

07.02.2009 21:34:00
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Who makes?
Well, not until I learned this business.
Well, still no one is forced to sit on each photo. Who prevents to convert batch?

07.02.2009 21:51:00

Well, as I understand it, if the images in the same situation. And if I take every day a little bit differently. The same settings will not work?
Well, I wrote - the default settings of the converter takes the camera, that is, configure the camera as you need for a specific photo, and then the converter automatically display the settings for that photo
of course, be used in such a case, it is necessary to own Digital photo pro

07.02.2009 21:53:00
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The thing is that I do not persist for more than kllichestvo versions of the same image.
In addition, such a question about the "Picture Style", no one asked, so I'm not particularly paying attention to him. Of course, the difference between styles is, but it is not that big.

No, just this question was asked before. And I thought that you should pay attention to him. And now I think that this thing should apply.
understand you. However, reading this thread I started recently, so might miss something.
Worth reading Digital Photo Professional. Convert from RAW to JPEG can be in different styles.
1. Opened Digital Photo Professional.
2. open the file.
3. Pressed Tool.
4. Select the desired style "Standart".
5. Convert to JPEG.
Then you can do it with other styles and save.
Next, open the saved file in Photoshop and Zoom Brouser and look at the difference in the photos. It is very clear.
looked and found this: color image and black-and-white.

Please refer to 4. 3. 4. advertising content.

07.02.2009 21:53:00


and still - raw rights even easier than zhpeg

08.02.2009 1:06:00
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In each of them, I found their values, and then, when shooting, just pick one or the other style.
better to shoot in RAW and not to take his head with all sorts of "style."
I agree with you.
However, there are different problems, so sometimes it is enough to remove the RAW + JPEG and choose the best quality JPEG, if it turned out excellent and not to engage in converting RAW.

08.02.2009 9:27:00
I can not put in a word for Jpeg and base area. I am personally very pleased with the presence of this area in my camera because often use it in practice. For two reasons, firstly satisfied with the quality of instant results (more leaked on a computer, renamed and all), and secondly I personally like how the intracameral denoising. Rented in PAB? Of course rented, nazapominal and apply t. N. recipes for different shooting conditions, batch processing, and so on. d. But it is often in everyday life have to shoot scenes in difficult conditions in which the RAV is vital? I do not mean artistic shot. Personally, I have not often, so only a quarter of the files stored in the PAB of the total removal. Many pictures are looking at least think about a shot than that shot, when and what kind of feelings and memories is their view. IMHO of course.

08.02.2009 9:44:00

Among other things, the fact that the conversion processing intrachamber prishodit on simplified algorithm and fine details just eats. If you remove a PAB and just otkonvertit regular means without amendment - that labor is not much to add, but the quality will improve dramatically. Unfortunately it was for intracameral zhpega junior canon characterized especially heavy losses. In addition lossless compression RAV minimizes the difference between the size of the RAV and zhpeg. Of course the point of view, "no matter how removed the leash would be pretty content" has a right to exist, but it's better to take some thread tsifromylnitsu. Or you can do a cell phone. That is, I have seen for example. photographers with cameras Bolney high class who filmed exclusively in full automatic, explaining that

Many pictures are looking at least think of a shot than that shot, when and what kind of feelings and memories is their view.

So this argument is common but incorrect IMHO

08.02.2009 13:05:00
even when converted into dpp can safely put the compression quality is 80% and the quality is almost lost, and a smaller size for special aesthetes can put 90%, 100% almost unnecessary

08.02.2009 13:54:00
Why
extremes (such CellPhones shoot at it, I also sometimes rented - price tags there, to schedule all sorts, it makes no you probably just SLR and certainly in RAV)? We're discussing Canan 450th? So let's stay within it, and tsifromylnitsy and mobile telephones will be discussed in another topic. I had the opportunity to buy a DSLR and I did not regret it when you have to shoot in the RAV and get a photo in the max possible quality (even whale sometimes I change to fix this for about as) when considered necessary to remove the right to JPEG. Especially because TSZF will love even in the chamber removes JPEG better than any soap dishes and mobile. What's so wrong and how to correct?
I now do not know where you are coming is going on inside the camera, can you enlighten? Where did you get the information "that intrachamber conversion processing prishodit on simplified algorithm"? I am interested to learn more on this topic.

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general that when converted to dpp can safely put the compression quality is 80% and the quality is almost lost, and a smaller size for special aesthetes can put 90%, 100% almost unnecessary
And I go further and think sometimes almost unnecessary to shoot some scenes in the RAV and take them off once in jpeg. The loss of quality for me in this case is equivalent to a gain in free volume in the bag from the use of our fotike microSD card instead of SD.

08.02.2009 14:36:00

think sometimes almost unnecessary to shoot some scenes in the RAV and take them off once in jpeg.

Here totally agree, I shoot in RAW less than one percent. Not every story is worthy of RAW. Besides switch it if necessary - a matter of seconds.
Well, not I live in those places where, no matter where you point the lens everywhere masterpieces. A pore over each plot Globe life miserable.
Family bytovuha and other "action-packed" themes such as "I and palm" in jpeg "e do not lose much.
Or is there anything like the people does not remove, but only masterpieces?
 

08.02.2009 14:44:00

people here anything like this does not remove, but only masterpieces?
do not know, I find it easier then all perbrat in Rawaha than dzhipegah - still after taking view each frame (where the colors where podkropit)

08.02.2009 15:10:00

still look through after shooting each frame (where the colors where podkropit)
That totally agree with that. As if those who shoot in jpg then do not watch shot on the PC. What is the problem viewed in DPP? Tweak what we need, select all and let the computer do its job, you do not need to watch the strip process

Personally, I see only one justification for shooting in jpg - when really there is no room on the memory card to remove all scheduled and need to save space, but at today's price of memory cards. . .

08.02.2009 15:19:00

However, there are different problems, so sometimes it is enough to remove the RAW + JPEG and choose the best quality JPEG, if it turned out excellent and not to engage in converting RAW.
But RAW best left in the archive (unless frame has at least some value).

08.02.2009 15:26:00

Where did you get the information "that intrachamber conversion processing prishodit on simplified algorithm"? I am interested to learn more on this topic.
Here at ixbt EMNIP was an article about the 400D. http: // www. ixbt. com / digimage / canon400d. shtml
There is an example of comparison and intracameral zhpega obtained from Ravana without correction http: // www. ixbt. com / digimage / canon400d / raw-test-90. jpg
IMHO difference is impressive.
This feature is common to all junior canon. Explain it simply. The camera, with its relatively weak built percent, the processing of Ravana spent a quarter of a second, and in the modern computer - tens of seconds. So in the latter case the quality calculations above two orders .

We're discussing Canan 450th? So let's stay within it
That's it! It is distressing when not fully used the opportunities that it gives SLR camera.

Sobsno what to shoot - prvo each. But IMHO intrachamber zhpeg can be justified only in one case - if necessary, direct printing without a computer. And then there in the next branch recently discussed - there's a holder 450D bought the 24-105 L and let's shoot in full automatic yes intrachamber zhpege. And then upset that the pictures look worse than the top photographers. Moreover, he has then to cry on Sonevodam ran. What gave them the occasion once again on a decent camera poizgolyatsya. Type 450D - sucks. And it was something that it is not in the wrong hands, the unit has.

08.02.2009 15:44:00
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still look through after shooting each frame (where the colors where podkropit)
That totally agree with that. As if those who shoot in jpg then do not watch shot on the PC. What is the problem viewed in DPP? Tweak what we need, select all and let the computer do its job, you do not need to watch the strip process

Personally, I see only one justification for shooting in jpg - when really there is no room on the memory card to remove all scheduled and need to save space, but at today's price of memory cards. . .
view and what? This necessarily means that I will rule? Rarely is, but it happens. In general, exposure and perekadrirovanie. Color not touch. And do it all in the same place and view - in ACDSee, in the course so to speak at the first viewing. I am comfortable and satisfied with the quality and exposure correction even so much (there is shade pull or vice versa). I, like many, I think, not against what you and others are doing the same with all the material in the DPP of the RAV. I'm only a part of pre-selected and taken in RAV interesting stories. How someone like that. Who else used to say so.

08.02.2009 15:46:00

distressing when not fully used the opportunities that it gives SLR camera.
Let me expand this idea.

If you go back 100 years and just offer the photographer can save photos in digital technology (100 years it has not lost anything as) who would like to keep their work on paper for future generations?

Who knows what image viewing technology await us in 10-15-20 years? Who assured that the difference file processing RAW camera and the PC will not be noticeable on the new screens?

If the camera allows you to take pictures of some quality, the quality of what is known to drop? What difference does it a masterpiece or just removed point to which you want to look in the future? If the money is paid, let them work out the camera at 100%. That is my opinion.

08.02.2009 16:00:00
I generally in equal rented, then look in the dpp and converts only selected frames
erase all the rest, even neotkonvertirovav

08.02.2009 16:01:00
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Where did you get the information "that intrachamber conversion processing prishodit on simplified algorithm"? I am interested to learn more on this topic.
Here at ixbt EMNIP was an article about the 400D. http: // www. ixbt. com / digimage / canon400d. shtml
There is an example of comparison and intracameral zhpega obtained from Ravana without correction http: // www. ixbt. com / digimage / canon400d / raw-test-90. jpg
IMHO difference is impressive.
Thanks for the link be sure to read. By the way I also have a photo album in two test image (album Test) look if you're interested. There is a difference, but for me is not critical in certain circumstances \\ stories.
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We're discussing Canan 450th? So let's stay within it
That's it! It is distressing when not fully used the opportunities that it gives SLR camera. How
not used? How Come? I use, but only in those cases where it is deemed necessary, unlike you, who prefers to do it always. That's good. Each chose his.
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. . . . And then there in the next branch recently discussed - there's a holder 450D bought the 24-105 L and let's shoot in full automatic yes intrachamber zhpege. And then upset that the pictures look worse than the top photographers. Moreover, he has then to cry on Sonevodam ran. What gave them the occasion once again on a decent camera poizgolyatsya. Type 450D - sucks. And it was something that it is not in the wrong hands, the unit has.
So I'll tell you more, some do not even use the full potential of RAV! Skonvertit on bystryachku in DPP without unnecessary movements and all the sliders. The horror. No to use Capture One 4 for this. By the way, the picture quality seriously, and differs from the converter used, and the DPP here though and the best, but not the best option, as for me.

08.02.2009 16:02:00

Who knows what image viewing technology await us in 10-15-20 years? Who assured that the difference file processing RAW camera and the PC will not be noticeable on the new screens?
is already happening!
there was an article which compared the rabbis seem to canon d60 and g3 in the converted editor 2003 and the new version of dpp - new version greatly surpassed the old, and the source code, then the same!

08.02.2009 16:04:00

view and what? This necessarily means that I will rule?
no course
I just told my point of view, I always sort out the pictures, so I find it easier to shoot in all Rave (lots do not shoot, I can go on dzhipeg only when not enough space - but this does not happen much, I find it easier to hike take more cards)
in the main exhibition and perekadrirovanie.
shadows there to pull or vice versa
that's just the point here is that in Rave or even 16 bit format such as TIFF files - shadows stretch better. And dzhipege undoubtedly can do it, but with the depth of the shade by pulling will be more loss of color

As in Rawa convenient right white balance

And of course a personal decision to use - as a convenient and necessary


Who knows what image viewing technology await us in 10-15-20 years? Who assured that the difference file processing RAW camera and the PC will not be noticeable on the new screens?
will, I am sure
but for 90% of the shots is not especially relevant

08.02.2009 16:05:00

there was an article which compared the rabbis seem to canon d60 and g3 in the converted editor 2003 and the new version of dpp - new version greatly surpassed the old, and the source code, then the same!
Yes, and it's just a new version of the program, and if you add the screen of the future, where we will watch these pictures. . .

08.02.2009 16:05:00
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and I'm generally in equal rented, then look in the dpp and converts only selected frames
erase all the rest, even neotkonvertirovav
This is a very logical and understandable to me, especially because many prosmotrischiki ( not only DPP or ZoomBrowser EX) Rava recognize.

08.02.2009 16:09:00

but for 90% of the shots is not especially relevant
I think it will be more concerned with those who did not keep their archive in RAW.

08.02.2009 16:15:00

I think it will be more concerned with those who did not keep their archive in RAW
and I - to the fact that 90% of the shots it will not play a decisive role

08.02.2009 16:16:00

I think it will be more concerned with those who did not keep their archive in RAW.
Wanted poblagoradit for this post, but it is no longer possible.

08.02.2009 16:19:00

and by the way, I did not understand what gives - thank you for your message?

08.02.2009 16:25:00

No need to write "1" and so on. N.

08.02.2009 16:29:00

Family bytovuha and other "action-packed" themes such as "I and palm" in jpeg "e do not lose much.
strange reasoning, very strange....


there was an article which compared the rabbis seem to canon d60 and g3 the converted editor 2003 and the new version of dpp - new version greatly surpassed the old, and the source code, then the same!
Besides growing technology and personal skills after processing.


08.02.2009 16:51:00

DPP here though and the best, but not the best option, as for me.
I would even say that it is a bad option. I use it when even then zhpega enough. And when really it is necessary to squeeze quality - something or C1 (gives the most correct color reproduction and well prorabatyvat shadow) or Silky (amazingly user friendly interface, rich features for quick and effective color correction).


in my photo album also has two test image (album Test) look if you're interested. There is a difference, but for me is not critical in certain circumstances \\ stories.
If a picture with the packaging of coffee here questions arise:
1. In Ekzife specified in both the program ACD. From Where?
2. If + RAV zhpeg images should be identical in the arrangement and these are not identical. This IMHO 2 different frame.

For these tests is not entirely correct.


but at today's price of memory cards. . .
I do to go shooting with noutom


08.02.2009 18:13:00

or C1 (gives the most correct color reproduction and well prorabatyvat shadow) or Silky (amazingly user friendly interface, rich features for quick and effective color correction)

here in detail, please. .

08.02.2009 18:38:00

Detail What?

08.02.2009 20:03:00
what

C1

and from what they eat

Silky

?

08.02.2009 20:39:00

This slang names RAW converters. Look theme Capture One and other modern RAW converters Volume II.
 

08.02.2009 20:50:00

and I'm generally in equal rented, then look in the dpp and converts only selected frames
erase all the rest, even neotkonvertirovav


I do exactly the same. Especially since I have recently been a lot of photos of a little child in the apartment (even without flash). So it is quite common to BB to pick up, then adjust the exposure. As for me, it is more convenient to remove the equal and then delete if something goes wrong, you remove a jpeg and then regret it

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