Nikon D60 or Olympus E520. What to bring?

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08.11.2008 21:40:00
That broke my camera finally) and I decided to throw it away, because I do the third repair is no longer desirable.
decided to take the camera a little higher class, since my digital cameras are not enough. A lot of ruined landscapes (((He had neither the sensitivity nor the size of the matrix.

Now, gathered here from gurus advise camera between those two models that subject. Maybe some other generally better to take, I shall listen. Just please , justify their advice. And then I have an abundance of information on the head is going round. He took these two units and photographed, like the quality of the same. but that at first sight.
price range up to 20 tyrov.
And the number of these 'pop "Mega is also not important) to 6 or 7 is enough =) just do not see sense to take 15 or 100 MPH =)))
 

08.11.2008 21:48:00
Nikon D40 and I recommend him stabnuty dablkit.

And of these two uniquely E520 with dablkitom. Noise as well, but stabnuty little porezche and whales. . Besides cheaper.

08.11.2008 22:04:00
I honestly also beginning a week just watching D40. . . and then whether the herd mentality, whether the figure indicates a low camera model played a role requests to raise the bar a little higher.
I read a lot of criticism in the address of one and against another phot. But the choice of how many times dablkit and e520. A
proftestov nowhere? I found it was not able to. . . It
where the limit to compare these two cameras? If not, we wait another criticism. Hopefully just an argument that does not spill.

08.11.2008 22:20:00
ETDF hands hold and flip modes. . Personally, I hardly opened his fingers to the E520, so I liked it. . {Olympus E420 + pancake 25/2, 8} = kroshkalimpus (the smallest at this point a couple of "SLR + lens") that is in my pocket, not so pleasant to the touch as the E520, but looks also very laskayusche-vzglyadovo. Often I catch myself on the fact that stroking his fingers in a jacket pocket. And my hefty alfasotka with battery handle and banks 70-200 / 4 on the shelf gathering dust. .

Kroshkalimpus me somewhere for a month, and I am deliberately not remove anything else. . Bole so that I planned for shooting his alfasotku taking lens and a backpack to her. But a little bit of interesting points on the way to work and back I took some shots:

Portraits

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tinny

08.11.2008 22:35:00
Hmm. . in general, really very personal)

08.11.2008 22:41:00
are you talking about? Nothing in the sense of "0" or "Oo". . ?

08.11.2008 23:24:00
Nikon D60 or Olympus E520
Kirill, the camera is completely different class. And perhaps, respectively. In Olika stub, continuous shooting in Rabbi, eleven focus points, the viewfinder seem better.
Cons compared to Nikon: a noisy iso 1600. Although amateur photos 10x15 cm and it normalek.

09.11.2008 2:21:00

to fit any budget-bytovuhi, for example the cheapest E-420 kit, or the more expensive D60 kit.
Judging by what you lover pyzazhey then 6 megapixels. It is clearly not enough, you have to dance to 10 megapixels. E. D60 or E-420. E-520 with the stub and the status of a little higher. For pyzazhey course sprinkled with Nikon 1 5 with a ratio of 3: 2 is more convenient, especially at wide angle. BUT tady and the lens need not whale. And that is more money. Yes, and D40. . . Nikon D60 functional cut, in particular rule out such a useful feature for pyzazhistov how bracketing. . . It turns out that you need a D90 with 10-20mm or 17-40mm quality, or E-420 (520) with a quality lens ZD 11-22 / 2. 8-3. 5 or ZD 14-54 / 2. 8-3. 5. This other costs. . .

09.11.2008 3:05:00

you are wrong, the camera of one class. . . .
11 tons. Focus mode only focus contrast, WI certainly not more Burst equal to normal and Nikon, Olympus have only a plus stub and contrast AF. Well, still not everyone likes the aspect ratio.

Olympus good double whale and normal operation with manual optics through a dandelion.
in the red harder in Russia with optics and accessories.

09.11.2008 3:50:00
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Kirill, the camera is completely different class. And perhaps, respectively.
This camera one class, given the new VR kit, there is a difference in the opportunities. I would advise D60.

09.11.2008 11:24:00
Guys, thank you for the analysis. I
the same time it is scanned and all the characteristics Olika and Nikon. . .
As a result, Nikon D60 hardly loses Olympus E520, namely the fact that Nikon's no image stabilizer, while at Olika once optical, plus watching the maximum stuffing and bribes that Olika dablkit let a little more expensive, market move. but I bought it. The only thing that has not yet found a difference between the types of matrices - Live MOS and CCD

09.11.2008 11:44:00


This camera one class
Actually it was not my idea: experts in comparative reviews of these cameras include different classes. Although the picture they have about the same (high iso from Nikon, even better). Is
D60 series takes in raw? Or you do not understand, what is it? . .

09.11.2008 11:47:00
I myself just 3 months ago, to choose between Nikon D60 and the Olympus E520. Definitely, Olympus interesting, however, bought a Pentax K200 . Look towards the Nikon D80 - they fell and seriously lately.

09.11.2008 11:59:00
What is the camera of a different class:

Nikon D60
Average number of actuations after which shutter is still alive: 6, 429. 2

Olympus E-520
Average number of actuations after which shutter is still alive: 65, 000. 0


09.11.2008 12:00:00

in the red harder in Russia with optics and accessories. Optic situation is ustakanivaetsya, problems can be largely lenses Top Pro and Fish (not imported due to low demand and high prices), and on the Pro and Standard are no problems, you can safely buy the most interesting windows ZD 11-22 , ZD 14-54, ZD 35, ED 50, ZD 12-60, ZD 70-300, ZD 50-200 (you only need to look for where the minimum price). Pyhi FL-36, 50R do not represent a strong deficit, but the eyecups and native adapters are not particularly common. Here's what just IMHO Olika full of happiness lacks line fixes in Standard and Pro Series (now there are only a couple of glasses - "pancake" 25mm and ZD-35/3. 5 They did not interest me - "Pancake" because HA and curve geometry and aperture is not 35).
Regarding expensive lenses or not moot. Lenses Series Pro Canon cheaper counterparts, and a little more expensive shirpotrebovsky Sigma and Tamron. For example the most interesting Zuma ZD 11-22 stands at 1000-1500r. more Sigma 10-20, ZD 14-54 is slightly more expensive (at 1000-1500r.) There's an analogue n Ron 17-40 / 2, 8 (provided that the lenses do not buy into the Top crust for half price). But that's about Tamron admiring vosklikov not hear only sobbing, apparently because of the advantages only the aperture. . . And if you take the Canon 14-70 / 2. 8 is its price surpasses 60 tons. p. ,. . . same-Olimpusovsky makrushnik Series Top-pro! ED-50 is not much more expensive Kenonovskogo kropnutyh poltosu-makrushnika (about Elqui keep silent). So where are the higher prices compared to competitors? aside hapuzhnichestvo sellers the plovers are as much on how much they are qualitative, and even more so at a price 10-15% higher than the mediocre Sigma and Tamron they tear them as Tuzik warmer. . .

09.11.2008 12:11:00

full of happiness lacks line fixes in a series of standard and Pro
Sigma makes for Olika such standard fixes very badsome. Top class like watering is.

09.11.2008 12:35:00

Sigma IMHO the taste and color. . . I have from Sigma clean dry pellet (even Shirikov who like and do not need Gripen, Boke, "plastic"). . . example, instead of the Sigma 10-20mm is better to pay one or two thousand, and to take the normal ZD 11-22. . . And thus in luminosity robust design win. . . And fixes the more necessary to take only high quality, something to the drawing was appropriate and not Sigmovsky-no. . .

09.11.2008 12:43:00

Sigma IMHO the taste and color. . .
itself can not stand the Sigma, but the macro fixes 105mm and 150mm f / 2. 8 is surprisingly good. For my money it's just a gift.

09.11.2008 14:37:00
Nikon little more interesting. In principle, there is a lack of a half - no screwdriver and few buttons. But in general it is better to splurge on D80.


According dpreview, the 520 three-point AF.
D60 viewfinder at best. This camera
one class. Centralized Level.

09.11.2008 15:51:00
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What is the camera of a different class:
Olympus E-520
Average number of actuations after which shutter is still alive: 65, 000. 0
Given that the camera is sold a little more than half a year, I would I did not trust this figure. Apparently "fanatics" job. By the way, how do you have this data?

09.11.2008 16:17:00

According dpreview
better not, they're clearly olmpus hate, you see someone underpaid. . .
and D60, this corresponds to E-420


Given that the camera is sold a little more than half a year, I would not trust this figure. Apparently "fanatics" job. By the way, how do you have this data?
data Yes, of course, is not God knows what (smiley I was there for the occasion put). But my thoughts illustrate. In the forums has been debated resource closures at Olympus all he is one of the biggest.
And the data from here if you're interested:
http: // www. olegkikin. com / shutterlife / sitemap. php

09.11.2008 16:25:00
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and D60, this corresponds to E-420
you make that conclusion only because of the absence of the stabilizer? So it is not in a Nikon camera, but there is a lot of lenses with a stabilizer, including a very low-cost, like a whale. And for the 420 th but a couple of lenses from Panasonic nothing. And following your logic, analogue 520 is D90, but you are well aware that 520 can not compete with the D90, the situation saves only the lowest price, corresponds exactly to D60.

09.11.2008 16:53:00

520 - 3-point AF "3-point multiple AF with the phase difference detection system (Auto, selectable in option)" (c) Olympus.
D-60 - the same segment as the e-520. No there is no fundamental difference for ficham. And the price is similar.
E-420 - is a D40 or Sony A200


http: // www. olegkikin. com / shutterlife / sitemap. php - this is not the site, and garbage

09.11.2008 16:59:00
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520 - 3-point AF "3-point multiple AF with the phase difference detection system (Auto, selectable in option)" (c) Olympus.
D-60 - the same segment as the e-520. No there is no fundamental difference for ficham. And the price is similar.
way, by the performance, autofocus D60 to stop sensitive 520-th, of course it's not saying much, but still. . .
 

09.11.2008 18:15:00
fanatics from Nikon posderzhannee kenonistov. . . although again, unsubstantiated arguments allowed


No no fundamental difference of ficham.
Well, if you have a mechanical stabilizer, continuous shooting in equal and AEB shooting is not a fundamental difference, it is your business. . .


520 can not compete with the d90
D90 camera is already quite serious. Would you still remember D3. . .
But with our D80 E-520 will probably compete.

09.11.2008 18:19:00
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What is the camera of a different class:

Nikon D60
Average number of actuations after which shutter is still alive: 6, 429. 2

Olympus E-520
Average number of actuations after which shutter is still alive: 65, 000. 0
Again some garbage you been reading .

09.11.2008 18:53:00
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D90 camera is already quite serious. . . But with our D80 E-520 will probably compete.
Everything is going ahead as you will not remember the 510 th, and it is not worth remembering d80. A d90 d80 camera and one "seriousness"

09.11.2008 19:27:00
But let's get back to the issue of E520 and D60
found that D60 no image stabilization, while the e-520 - Optical! On the other hand reduced luminosity. . . But how much?


PS Who does not matter. But I'm the kind of person that squeeze all of the camera =)
I'm from the Canon of his soap dishes och much squeezed. Recently set up a photo to make it about a minute. Just know that all schools and soothing pink color who all Canon seems! ! ! Especially in the last two weeks of his. Then he squeezed out of Sonya (cool soap dish) all that is possible. Now I want to try and SLR. =) But to all schools pnyat Nuno time. . . And I would not like to lohanutsya. Later, once the prilovchilis - if there will be money and desire to take a Canon 5D and has troubles not know)

09.11.2008 19:33:00

you do not remember the 510 th
Why then D90 to remember? . . It costs twice as much as the E-520.


On the other hand reduced luminosity. . .
general for what is revealed to you, vnushilschika should be banned. . .

09.11.2008 19:36:00
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But let's get back to the issue of E520 and D60
found that D60 no image stabilization, while the e-520 - Optical!

At D60 depends on the lens. You can take a stable double-kit (+ 18-55VR 55-200VR). There are other stabilized for every taste and budget .
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On the other hand reduced luminosity. . .
"beware of the dark side."
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later once prilovchilis - if there will be money and desire to take a Canon 5D and had troubles not know)
Then maybe take today Canon 1000D, and after retrained?

09.11.2008 19:44:00
No, now I defined with the segment. Also I can later not want to take something else. Maybe that will be enough. Cameras I resell later anyway. They have me break And breaks from use. (For example Canon 3! Matrix times I just burned due to excessive exploitation of the course) - is the fact that because the camera down use 25 hours a day at 200%, that is very dear to me rat is not advisable because of the many factors Pts And then I'm staying anyway lover)

09.11.2008 19:45:00
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as fotik use 25 hours a day at 200%, that is very dear to me rat is not advisable because of the many factors Pts
contrary .

09.11.2008 20:01:00
We will not raise a dispute
get off on the fact that the toad strangling =)

Let's sum up accumulated yaw my camera on an Internet
-------- Nikon D60 ------------ Olympus E-520
matrix ------------ CCD (-) -------------- Live MOS (+)
stabilization ------- no optical ------------------ *
SENSITIVITY ----------- ------------ 100 200-3200 -1600 *
viewfinder --------- --------- optical pentaplazma?

* - here is dependent on krivosti hands))) I do not know why the sensitivity to = 3200) This is my personal IMHO) I can not work with a great sensitivity to light and everything. I do not feel it. And stabilizers, albeit falling aperture, but nuzhem from "jerker" =)))
? - fool explain how the pentaplazma and optics in comparison)

09.11.2008 20:07:00
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and stabilizers, albeit falling aperture,

Where is it falling?
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but nuzhem from "jerker" =)))
necessary to drink less .
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? - fool explain how the pentaplazma and optics compared)
"Pentaplazma" does not work in any way, because such a thing does not exist in nature.

09.11.2008 20:12:00
Oh. sorry))))) So I Pentaprism lohanulsya)
Well, you have now realized that the characteristics of the viewfinder for me the dark forest. . .
I was interested in principle of the pentaprism and optics, and which is better? principle of the conductive reading)

09.11.2008 20:13:00
Pentaprism - it is more pleasing to the eye viewfinder than the cheapest viewfinder mirror. "Optical" - is ochitkalis you again. . There is a matrix stabilization. . It means that whatever you will pull on the E520, will be stable. Stab compensate jitter fotega in your hands in different situations from 2 to 16 times. E. Shevelenko appears on the wrong exposure, which when switched off Stabia and in 4-16 times longer. . In most cases 6-8 times. It comes in handy when shooting indoors at ISO 400 at shutter speeds of 1/20. . 1/10. Also, telephoto lenses, with a weak daylight.

09.11.2008 20:14:00
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I'm not interested in principle of the pentaprism and optics, and which is better? principle of the conductive read)
Pentaprism - this is the optics .

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There is a matrix stabilization. . It means that whatever you will pull on the E520, will be stable.
Except for pictures in the viewfinder and AF sensors .

09.11.2008 20:17:00
E. Will be stable? It's like?
Well, if I understand correctly, the optics works as a camcorder - I see it and I sing. . .
A pentaprism - again a mystery. . But I feel better pentaprism. Right?

09.11.2008 20:19:00
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Well, if I understand correctly, the optics works as a camcorder - I see it and I sing. . .
No.

09.11.2008 20:19:00
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camera -------- Nikon D60 ------------ Olympus E-520
------------ CCD matrix (-) -------------- Live MOS (+)
No matter what the technology is there, but looking at the result, that the E-520 "-", and at D60 - "+ "

09.11.2008 20:20:00
penta? Gooorazdo better. .

Yes, do not worry you. . D60 sdivaet E420 almost all items. Used to the hands, took off for a couple, you would understand what I mean. You that there ***** - Iceland no normal film cartridges that you do not see both simultaneously can? By the way, to have a whale Olika 18-180, so pretty obektivischa-ultrazoom, E420 turns into a compact mirror ultrazoom, size and focal close to the Panasonic FZ50. . . and the price too.

09.11.2008 20:22:00
Here. You see without holivarov I realized that was the best D60)
Hooray comrades.
That's how I like to dialogue. And then begins the endless "what is better)"
And basically shoveled forum concluded that the need to take the D80

09.11.2008 20:23:00
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And basically shoveled forum concluded that the need to take the D80
Actually D90 .

09.11.2008 20:25:00
D80 much better than both. . Who would argue. There is money in the D80, take it. True lose stub at the same noise. Then the hair will vomit.

09.11.2008 20:26:00
Yes. Price scares me 30 tyrov with a whale on the D80
Unfortunately or fortunately will take 20 tyrov + kit 18-135 (20 tyrov together. The result so to speak) =)
 

09.11.2008 22:22:00


- the best stabilizer - a tripod
- the best zoom - legs
- best viewfinder mine
- best matrix is ​​a slide

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