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14.10.2008 19:36:00
Greetings to all, choose the first SLR for themselves, with further improvement (but not in the near future).

re-read a lot of reviews, tests, forums range of choice has narrowed significantly, but still in my head all confused about these models.

selected from
OLYMPUS E-520 DZK Kit lens 14-42mm & amp; 40-150mm
CANON 450D Kit 18-55 IS

What do get:
Vivid pictures, juicy, crisp photos, mainly interested in photos in auto mode and macro shooting.
not use a tripod, mainly photograph without preparation, I saw something interesting sfotkal went on and so on.
I like to travel, so shoot nature, architecture, attractions, want to try to portraits.

Now I have a Canon A710 IS (subject of my photos you can see in my photo album on www. Shao. Com. Ua (the quality is not so hot, highly compressed)

Thanks for the advice.
 

14.10.2008 20:07:00
Macro neither fit - need to add a macro lens.
Double kit versatile just a whale.
for portraits too, the two not particularly fit.

14.10.2008 20:22:00

eychas my Canon A710 IS (subject of my photos you can see in my photo album on www. Shao. Com. Ua (the quality is not so hot, highly compressed)
in your pictures I never saw Marco, it is you exactly want?

14.10.2008 21:17:00

you to the choice of these two models to consciously come from? wondering which way?
I would still advise Canon to begin with, although I will say this - there are no bad camera, the longer plays the role of optics and who holds the camera. . can be reversed )

14.10.2008 21:21:00

- I think that for this type of highly macro http: // io. ua / 5050089 ochenњ limited choice - either 5DmarkII + 50/1. 2 or Kodak Z8612 IS. The second option would
Vivid pictures, juicy, crisp pictures, mostly. . . without preparation. . . etc.

14.10.2008 22:50:00

about the macro is not much of course is important, but also some of these options would be better and what is worse, at this optics. . .

yes realize other real alternatives in this price range there, sleepyhead not see - even damp, Nikon D60 kit from a friend saw the photo is not very much to me they are. About Canon is honored that branch 1 and 2, of course everything is not mastered, but selectively, liked it. Olympus recommends a pier-type cooler that Canon and kenonisty vice versa. . . that's lost. . . It left little time for myself so I want to make a gift.

nothing knew this joke?

14.10.2008 22:57:00

recommend Olympus say this type of cooler Canon
what?
crop \\ 3 4 more specific, such as the body - it is better to continue from Olympus
except whales expensive glass immediately

14.10.2008 23:58:00

further from Olympus glass except whales expensive once
love. . . such spetsofff, no offense!
14-54 / 2, 8-3, 5 shtatnik good purpose when ordering a bhvideo with annual Garnati at 450. e.
35/3, 5 macro good makrik about 7m. p. in Russia.
70-300 / 4, 0-5, 6 - 11 m. P.
18-180 / 3. 5-6. 3 - 15 m. P.
50/2, 0 macro in the open is good as a portrait, in a closed makrik stands at 470. e. from abroad.

you know who produces an excellent and inexpensive branded AF optics?

15.10.2008 0:47:00
I am for the E520, I like this bird. . In his hand is good and strong stub. Canon is bad, there is no stub in Telecom.

15.10.2008 7:29:00

nothing knew this joke?
- No, it's not funny but the harsh truth of life. Based on the first post, you do not need a DSLR. If in the near future are not going to learn, we need clear pictures and rich, and can only be removed in passing - the dish soap is enough. Maybe this year something else will choose to gift to yourself and DSLR vozmesh when it is determined so that from it you want?


Canon is bad, there is no stub in Telecom. - Pro lies - as a habit can be acquired. That double kit from Canon - EF-S 18-55mm f / 3. 5-5. 6 IS + EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS - like stub is still here.

15.10.2008 8:02:00


Well, of course, the Canon optics - penny worth

example CANON EF-S 17-55 / 2. 8 IS USM - the only native shtatnik a crop worth about 35 thousand. Rubles here or $ 1,000 there ~

author - if you buy the Canon, the budget - will forever choose from 2-3 copies of Sigma or Tamron

15.10.2008 8:02:00
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Welcome everyone choose for themselves the first SLR with a further improvement (but not in the near future).

OLYMPUS E-520 vs CANON 450D

Pentax K200D.

15.10.2008 8:06:00

Pentax K200D.

And you can still look towards the A200

15.10.2008 8:23:00
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Pentax K200D.

And you can still look towards the A200

If you do not mind to spend money on pseudo-Zeiss - you can watch. Nikon D60 is also very decent SLR, which is now much cheaper. Here are just a stopgap whale had drip. And if you buy a piece of glass with a normal stub Nikon AF S DX VR 16-85mm, the price becomes the price level Pentax K20. . .

15.10.2008 8:27:00

If you do not mind spending on pseudo-Zeiss - you can watch.

meant that amateur searching can buy inexpensive used / have Minolta.

15.10.2008 8:32:00

Well, of course, the Canon optics - penny worth
good optics everywhere expensive, no doubt
well at Canon can find something and up to 20 thousand, meaning cite as an example 17-55 \\ 2, 8? . . . once used a 24-70 lead ))

15.10.2008 8:41:00

well at Canon can find something and up to 20 thousand

I ask you to give an example of zoom-shtatnika under crop (light - type 2, 8-3, 5) to 20 thousand.

15.10.2008 8:52:00
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Well, of course, the Canon optics - penny worth
good optics everywhere expensive, no doubt
well at Canon can find something and up to 20 thousand, meaning cite as an example 17-55 \\ 2, 8? . . . once used a 24-70 lead ))

the price level in the EU, yet, Pentax competition. At Canon, like Nikon, no stub in the carcass, only the glass (in Canan is in the gag, Nikon have not, on the whole series D ** hang golimy DX 18-135). Therefore, choosing glass for Nikon and Canon, it is necessary in advance to pay for the expensive glasses with a stub. A Pentax any glass hang and voila . Ox, do not know why, but for the original Nikkory, Canon and pseudo-Zeiss fleece three skins. Pentax have no such.

15.10.2008 8:57:00

A Pentax any glass hang and voila

Well E-520 also has a stub in the carcass

15.10.2008 9:01:00
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Well, of course, the Canon optics - penny worth

example CANON EF-S 17-55 / 2. 8 IS USM - the only native shtatnik a crop worth about 35 thousand. Rubles here or $ 1,000 there ~

author - if you buy the Canon, the budget - will forever choose from 2-3 copies of Sigma or Tamron

Well - for Olympus simply choose not anything else. . . No cost, no off-budget.

15.10.2008 9:03:00

Well, yes - on Olympus simply choose not anything else. . . No cost, no off-budget.

above cited example of good fiscal shtatnika (about 12 000 rubles)

15.10.2008 9:12:00

somewhat contradictory desires. If the machine shoot Olika, of course, for your eyes. And for improvement - "Canon" at the moment elementary convenient. Good lenses are at the "Olympus", maybe it is, just as they themselves admit olivody and then alone from abroad can be ordered, then the other. With the "canon" of such questions usually arise. About
macro: in principle, "Olympus" there will be even more convenient, since at the same focal aperture and depth of field has more. But, again, appropriate macro lens to get more necessary.

15.10.2008 9:13:00

You mean 14-54 / 2, 8-3, 5 chtol? The cheapest price in the price. ru - ~ 16 m. p. Yab not call it a budget solution for such temnenky obektivchik. In the background the same tamron 17-50 / 2. 8 boot of ~ 13 m. P. It looks much more interesting.

15.10.2008 9:13:00
Tell us what you absolutely prejudiced. If you do not take polnokadr and budget sprinkled, then it does not matter how sprinkled shoot - the only difference is in the details. And there will be an equal and Olympus, and Pentax, Sony and Canon and Nikon with - got their own pros and cons. Take the fact that the best hand will fall. (Himself would choose the E-520, but I do not pay attention - I olimpovod so biased.)

general - would pay close attention to the Pentax, eating not only restrict the selection of the two cameras.


15.10.2008 9:18:00

for such temnenky obektivchik. In the background the same tamron 17-50 / 2. 8 boot of ~ 13 m. P. It looks much more interesting.

14-54 darker Tamron just half a stop at the long end. In addition, Tamron flimsy, does not have ingress protection (both 14-54), and it is necessary to choose.

15.10.2008 9:21:00
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Well, of course, the Canon optics - penny worth

example CANON EF-S 17-55 / 2. 8 IS USM - the only native shtatnik a crop worth about 35 thousand. Rubles here or $ 1,000 there ~

author - if you buy the Canon, the budget - will forever choose from 2-3 copies of Sigma or Tamron
Well, yes - on Olympus simply choose not anything else. . . No cost, no off-budget.

For the average amateur - enough guts. And if such a work is meant http: // blogs. smh. com. au / photographers / 97568242. jpg (600x350, 65, 8Kb)
 

15.10.2008 9:22:00

Take into account that the matrix have Olika less so - than polstopa and more. Yes, by the way, at the expense of indignant cost ef-s 17-55 / 2. 8 IS USM - its closest analogue of Olika (I'm talking about ED 14-35mm 1: 2 0 SWD) is twice as expensive. And no need of a big hole - is compensated (including in terms of manufacturing rates) at the matrix. And the price of manufacturing reduces the multiplicity of smaller glass from Olika. So what about the cheapness odika - not necessary, it does not say all things being equal boot out more.

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For the average amateur - enough guts. And if such a work is meant http: // blogs. smh. com. au / photographers / 97568242. jpg (600x350, 65, 8Kb)

kakraz for such entertainment has a glass - ED 300mm. 1: 2 8, 9 is true pieces of greenery that incidentally coincides with the price of shoe analogue (well, plus or minus understandable) - EF 600mm f / 4L IS USM

But for an amateur - no nicherta. There is no light zooms for a reasonable price, not cheap fixes. There is only a little dark and expensive zooms.

15.10.2008 9:29:00

Take into account that the matrix have Olika less so - than polstopa and more.

Only if you mean that the Tamron at 2. 8 will be less than the depth of field.

15.10.2008 9:32:00

depth of field - in the first place. But in the general case - because of the lower die and will be similar to the light. It is due to the fact that most of the matrix is ​​less noise (with the same megapixel), so - you can screw up sensitivity higher or stronger pull converter.
And do not forget that not stab in the glass gives somewhere in the 1-2 foot more than a stab in the carcass. But the truth is, not all the glasses and the fact that - more expensive.

Although I'm afraid all these considerations the author of the topic. . . to the bulb. Under his task - I do not care what to take, except that the portraits - in the boot will be simpler if he certainly wants to communicate Fix (which IMHO is a prerequisite for a portrait).

15.10.2008 9:41:00


I'm not an expert on Olyam, but judging by the German photographic sites, the people speaks very well about the quality of Oli and his whale glasses. And I do not know how in Russia, but in Germany the choice glass Olika decent.

15.10.2008 9:49:00

depth of field - in the first place. But in the general case - because of the lower die and will be similar to the light. It is due to the fact that most of the matrix is ​​less noise (with the same megapixel), so - you can screw up sensitivity higher or stronger pull converter.

That is your key mistake - Tamron darker, because for amateur shootings need more depth of field, so the owner of the Canon would have to constantly cover the hole - which would entail the shortening of the exposure. Since Tamron has no stub - will be very cool to bully ISO (given that Olika stub gives 2 + stops to equalize DOF need stop) - obtain ISO scoring 3 stop.

That is equal to the depth of field of the frame at the same time (evening landscape for example) need to Olika ISO 100 and Kenonmu will need 800, which had a noisy

15.10.2008 9:53:00
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because for amateur shootings need more DOF
IMHO - a mistake. Personally for me DOF matrix APS-C mildly big, regularly want less, therefore, is constantly working on the open holes. Although good - often worth preload, to raise the resolution. But damn it - too big GRIP does not allow to do it.
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That is equal to the depth of field of the frame at the same time (evening landscape for example) need to Olika ISO 100 and Kenonmu will need 800, which had a noisy
very strange conclusion. Landscape is usually f / 8 at a minimum and a tripod with trossikom / remote control. And then more noisy matrix 4/3 in proygryshe compared with APS-C.

15.10.2008 10:02:00

Landscape is usually f / 8 at a minimum and a tripod with trossikom / remote control.

Landscape at Olympus with the stub can be easily removed from hands and F8 - is the ultimate diaphragm. I do not blame that Canon is not stabnutyh Shirikov


For me DOF matrix APS-C mildly big, regularly want less,

type only the left eye in focus? This requires a FF, which the author does not need threads.


And in general - it turns out that cropped Canon shtatnika selection (for all lenses of wealth) one - Tamron

If the author is needed Tamron - 450D must take if it wants to do better than that - look Pentax / Nikon / Olympus

15.10.2008 10:15:00

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Landscape on Olympus with tsabom easily removed from hands and F8 - is the ultimate diaphragm.
mean f / 8 aperture is marginal? What Olika stronger pull your way? A
peyzad handheld shooting - no matter whether with or without a stub. No, I understand that all our Photoshop, but it is better to try to do it right.
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type only the left eye in focus? This requires a FF, which the author does not need threads.
Well, why only the left eye. . . Though so, too, would like to regularly. A FF yes, especially with the bright Fix. . . Although you're right - I'm afraid the author does not appreciate the proverbial "format camera effect," which sought to 50/1. 2
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If the author is needed Tamron
Why only Tamron? Because I called him? Variants - a lot, tokinka same. Yes, and sigma - there are those whom she is quite satisfied. For uncompromising have native windows. . . As I said - the options are plenty. IMHO the author need not Tamron, tokin or 17-55 / 2. 8 and vulgar Brigde a la EF-S 18-200mm f / 3. 5-5. IS 6 or even scared to tell AF 18-125mm F3. 8-5. 6 DC OS HSM or AF 18-200mm f3. 5-6. 3 DC OS HSM. I do not think he will notice the difference. . .

15.10.2008 10:21:00

Why only Tamron? Because I called him? Variants - a lot, tokinka same. Yes, and sigma - there are those whom she is quite satisfied. For uncompromising have native windows. . .

A to Olympus / Pentax / Nikon tokinasigmotamrony look is not necessary - there are inexpensive home glass

15.10.2008 10:35:00
Thank you all very much, even more confused
slightly rephrase your desires:

that advise for amateur photography with a further increase in the future.
budget of up to $ 1000

15.10.2008 10:38:00

with a further increase in the future.

IMHO, for further growth in the future in any case need to be FF (which will be available after 3 years) - so take the double kit, which you better in your hand will fall and will komfornosti.

I like to keep the 450D is inconvenient, and 520 - more convenient.

15.10.2008 10:45:00

For Olympus and Pentax - the native glass still find necessary. . .

buy something (even by Canon) in Moscow - is silly. In the United States - less likely (given the weak dollar).

15.10.2008 10:46:00

Since Canon just a whale, and the whale Olya double. . .

and about the Pentax K200D which its advantage over the model under consideration?
noted that he is very tezhelovat no live twist. . .
in its auto mode? as the whale lens of DA 18-55mm?

15.10.2008 10:53:00
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budget announced. . . This is easier.

This budget - Canon 1000D / 450D with a whale, but not any but only the EF-S 18-55 / 3. 5-5. 6 IS telephoto type and EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS. Please note - there are other versions of the whale, all without stabilization (IS), they should not take, including - and USM-version.

As an option - to take the same Canon 1000D / 450D Body (without lens) and it Brigde. Native to the budget will not fit - hence Sigma or Tamron, taking again the best version with stub. This option IMHO worse, but for the climb to the soap dish can be more convenient.

In any case, I recommend that at the first opportunity to take some realties inexpensive fixed aperture type EF 50/1. 8 poprobuvat and shoot them. It costs about 100 au, so that the money for it is not a pity.

I think that the same kit can pick and Nikon, and Pentax, and Sonya, at approximately comparable prices. On Olika and other 4/3 - it is impossible, there is no low-cost high-luminosity fixes.

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and about the Pentax K200D which its advantage over the model under consideration?
Hammer on a carcass, the carcass of a class of all manufacturers are about the same. See the need for glasses. At best choice Pentax fixes cropped and there is a very interesting (and expensive) DA * -komplekt.

15.10.2008 10:57:00

there is no low-cost high-luminosity fixes.

For 100 bucks Plastic Ge course, but there 25/2. 8, 24/1. 8, 30/1. 4, 50/2 and 25/1. 4 (the latter is the most expensive - $ 800).

15.10.2008 10:58:00
I would suggest: Canon 450d + Tamron 17-50 / 2. 8 + 50-250IS (or 70-300IS)
Olik double kit is also good. Is inexpensive, faster AF than the compact digital cameras, the image also leaves behind the soap dish. Light. For the amateur, are not ready for the subsequent spending - the most it

15.10.2008 11:05:00
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there is no low-cost high-luminosity fixes.

For 100 bucks Plastic Ge course, but there 25/2. 8, 24/1. 8, 30/1. 4, 50/2 and 25/1. 4 (the latter is the most expensive - $ 800).
And hde? Two close-up, two telescopes and a pancake. . . And by the way - not sure what "plassmasovoe ge" by kenona would be worse than a pancake. . . I have a long-standing and self-doubt at the expense of all the optical systems of pancakes.


With Tamron does not fit into the budget. Either one Tamron or whale + telephoto. Plus the fact that it is a whale with a stub once, twice - in the budget breaks with telephoto stub.


15.10.2008 11:09:00

type telephoto EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS, we have about 350 ye, I can get to him and 450D?

fixed aperture type EF 50/1. 8 I can get to him and 450D or delivery has to see there?

15.10.2008 11:14:00
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With Tamron does not fit into the budget. Either one Tamron or whale + telephoto. Plus the fact that it is a whale with a stub once, twice - in the budget breaks with telephoto stub.

I thought that the hole / 2. 8 better than / 5. 6 with a stub
If the budget is limited, which 450d DK

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telephoto-type EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS, we have about 350 ye, I can get to him and 450D?

Photos from "approximation" + stub from the blur.

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fixed aperture type EF 50/1. 8 I can get to him and 450D or delivery has to see there?

You can get a small depth of field, t. E. Blur the background for a portrait. Specifically pro / 1. 8, the whirring motor focus and blur is not very good.

15.10.2008 11:16:00

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type telephoto EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS, we have about 350 ye, I can get to him and 450D?
Well telephoto. . . Many amateurs like to telephoto, such as birds, portraits of concerts. . . Although the hole 5. 6 portraits. . . background will have to choose very carefully IMHO.
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fixed aperture type EF 50/1. 8 I can get to him and 450D or delivery has to see there?
Shallow DOF, lots of light, with the preloaded diaphragm - stunned rezkozt against budget zumami. Well for facial portrait, he certainly is a bit short, but on lap CROP - it. Yes, the background blur (bokeh) he certainly one of the worst, but then again, compared with budget zumami and soap holders - just a fairy tale. The main objective of this fixation - to help you understand for minimum money, are you ready to pozhetvovat amenities zooms fixes for benefits or not.

15.10.2008 11:18:00
and with a set:
450D + EF-S 18-55 IS + EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS if I can get pictures with a blurred background?

15.10.2008 11:25:00

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as a set: 450D + EF-S 18-55 IS + EF-S 55-250mm f / 4-5. 6 IS if I can get pictures with a blurred background?
Compared with soap - yes. Compared with even 50/1. 8 - No general all depends on the distance from the subject to the background, it should be quite decent, in fact achieve acceptable results are obtained only in the street.

15.10.2008 11:27:00

Thank you all very much, even more confused


with a further increase in the future.
Canon or Nikon. Why? Because these systems are the most common and self-contained: a huge park optics, reasonably available for sale, flares, converters, remote controls and other accessories. Plus quite a wide range of b / y.

I will not say anything against Olympus, Sony, Pentax and Samsung, and so on.. In addition, that due to a much lower prevalence of these systems buy anything for them is sometimes difficult. We have to look to do before. orders and so on. d.

Location: Ukraine, Kiev
Visit www. foto. ua and see what is available to the same Olympus. And then for Canon / Nikon. Draw conclusions.

With a budget in 1000. e. with an eye for growth IMHO 450D or D80 (just have to add).
 

15.10.2008 11:32:00

I have a long-standing and self-doubt at the expense of all the optical systems of pancakes.

What are these doubts?
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