The choice of optics for Canon 450D for landscapes (+)

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20.08.2008 12:29:00
Good afternoon.
have the skill fotik Panas LH2.
a year fotkayu bought this model because nelyublyu shoot a machine.
Now I want to pass away the next level mastrestva - SLR.
already chosen body Canan 450D.
Now can`t decide what to take optics, advise what set
Sigma 28-70mm f / 2. 8-4 DG AF
Sigma 70-300mm f / 4-5. 6 DG Macro Telephoto Zoom
or
Tamron AF 28-80mm f / 3. 5-5. 6 Aspherical
Tamron AF 70-300mm f / 4-5. 6 Di LD Macro

or advise for the money, and anything else I forgot to say that many fotkayu landscape.
 

20.08.2008 12:45:00
Samsung GX-20 d-kit

20.08.2008 12:47:00
If you fotkat scenery, then, IMHO, one must look obetivy a crop that was SHU. Otherwise 28mm sprinkled on 1, 6 flied out to 44mm that peyzhakov can be a bit much.

If you are thinking to take Sigma 70-300 take APO, it somehow can be removed without the APO version completely useless.

20.08.2008 12:56:00
such as Tamron Forums are not bad reviews.


do not think it can be compared to the canon of noise)))

20.08.2008 13:02:00

such as Tamron Forums are not bad reviews.
be honest Tamron was not interested, I was advised as an excellent option for the price / quality is Sigma APO.

20.08.2008 13:09:00
Tired - rest.

20.08.2008 13:11:00

http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / pentaxk20d / page32. asp
do not know how you think, but for me so noisy K20

20.08.2008 13:26:00
In view of the detail and contrast - nirazu.

20.08.2008 13:45:00
Your best option canon 10-22 ef-s. Wonderful peyzazhnik. Excellent home comes in handy when shooting and when you need to capture a lot of people. But not without distortion of course.

20.08.2008 13:55:00

Your best option canon 10-22 ef-s. Wonderful peyzazhnik.
Basically, IMHO in this post, the subject can be and close

PS I have not figured out EF-S focal also recalculated taking into account the crop factor as EF or not?

20.08.2008 13:56:00
17-40 - with the dust protection, and for the money -

20.08.2008 14:04:00

. S. I have not figured out EF-S focal also recalculated taking into account the crop factor as EF or not?

Focus on all lenses for DSLRs indicate true. In order to find out in the film equivalent of sprinkles - mnozhte on the crop factor. Ie. EF-S 10-22 for Canon EOS 450D EF 16-35 would like to 5D.

20.08.2008 14:11:00

e. If hypothetically take the EF and EF-S lenses, at the same focal length (of course on kropnutyh fotike), they will give the same picture? No difference in the long term, and so on. F.?

20.08.2008 14:14:00

such as Tamron Forums are not bad reviews.
good, but on the other Tamron - 17-50 / 2. 8 and 28-70 / 2. 8. to. You probably need a standard lens for little money, the choice is essentially one - Tamron 17-50 / 2. 8.
Although if already chosen body Canan 450D , the body does not take a dablkit - will be in the amount of 18-250, has come to start, and then decide.

20.08.2008 14:21:00

In view of detail and contrast - nirazu.
posharpayte photos remaining, lifting the contrast - also smoe get. And maybe less noisy


the body does not take a dablkit
Well Canon regular whale terrible, it is better to buy a normal shtatnik


20.08.2008 14:34:00


. e. If hypothetically take the EF and EF-S lenses, at the same focal length (of course on kropnutyh fotike), they will give the same picture? No difference in the long term, and so on. F.?

Yes.

20.08.2008 14:37:00
18-55is quite decent obektivchik just for the scenery
10-22 and it is full of fish-eye

20.08.2008 14:41:00
And after
Circuits shumodava where will? Stuffing is impossible to turn the back. . . . (C)

At 450, the way normal whale talk about EF-S 18-55IS.

20.08.2008 14:52:00

And after Circuits shumodava where will?
And what detail it? You look at the three pictures - blue sky, and then at the PENTAX. There's even a color difficult to define, that's really really beef. Well, I think it makes no sense to argue, so if you like the most - flag PENTAX your hands

20.08.2008 15:14:00
Well, it "makes no sense"? The question of principle - as CMOS data are processed. At Pentax - almost all, except on the edges of the range having a slower, like this, as it turns out in the film - and all (and without this in any way - spread TTX CMOS sensors have a very large compared to the CCD). No sophisticated algorithms Psychovisual (Sonia) or RLkonversii (Canan, Nikon) in Pentax does not apply!

And it is - good! My eye - the best "filter", and watch the pictures you need to print or, in extreme cases - in the split screen, and not at 100% scale.

From there you take the sky? This label, damn it, and she has a place to be a powerful care yellow. . .

primitive (so that there is at work) attempt comparable conversion:
http: // fotoplenka. ru / photo / semd / 322869/8532731. jpg

20.08.2008 15:36:00

Pentax have - virtually nothing, except having a slower on the edges of the range, something like what is obtained in the film - that's all. No sophisticated algorithms Psychovisual (Sonia) or RLkonversii (Canan, Nikon) does not apply!
fact that Pentax - too noisy, it is necessary juzat squelch. Cho happens as a result - is unclear. Plus MP had bigger scale sravniemyh him more pictures. In such a stub, and a campaign zhpga, it is difficult to say anything. Therefore, to argue and not worth it.

20.08.2008 15:36:00
each ram - save!

20.08.2008 15:37:00

And it is - good! My eye - the best "filter", and watch the pictures you need to print or, in extreme cases - in the split screen, and not at 100% scale.
Well let 10na15 print will not care at all think PENTAX, PENTAX not Lx2 out just fine.

20.08.2008 15:41:00

interesting! now it became somnevatsya in choosing body.
which was ISO 1600 8532731. jpg?

20.08.2008 15:45:00

body need not choose a set of available lenses
A carcass they are roughly the same in all its range of prices - those crop cameras in general are the same, the rest - Well, another religion
$$$ course
 

20.08.2008 15:49:00

and what do you say about this?
http: // www. dpreview. com / reviews / pentaxk20d / page33. asp
Canan won And Pentax have many pixels.


all different lenses offered as they choose?


20.08.2008 15:58:00

10-22 and it is full of fish-eye lens
like "Fish Eye" gives a picture of the specific distortions such as barrel. 10-22 gives a picture of a flat - so it's never "fish-eye". For landscapes - the most it.

Really one of the best (if not the best) in the Shirikov crop, this EF-S 10-22.

20.08.2008 16:09:00

swoop and MRC can be close to objects? sorry for the stupid question. )

20.08.2008 16:13:00
10-22 yuzabelen only streetscape and then very specifically - the falling walls and TP at SHU. . .
Then EF-S -. . . . I personally would not buy it maybe, is not cheap
author should choose and where he will shoot the landscape, maybe if it's a desert tropical sea snow the machine and the lens without protection, he quickly uhandakaet.


from native kenonovskih:
EF-S 10-22 18-55IS 17-55IS
EF 17-40 24-105IS 16-35 (Elqui!)

20.08.2008 16:16:00

all different lenses offered as they choose?
1. For the price.
2. poizuchat a while lenses for different systems, choose what I would like to buy right away and that then, compare the prices of lenses of different systems. Then, buy the camera to the lens (you) for what is enough money. (I once made that way)
3. Buy 450D kit (with 18-55 IS), t. To. The camera is good and the selection of lenses for Canon greatest. You can also put through an adapter lenses many other systems (especially valuable for those who like to play with technique and not shoot, like me).


swoop and MRC can be close to objects? sorry for the stupid question. )
You also have LX2. In LX2 Lens 28-112mm EGF (equivalent focal length). To get the EGF need to 450D lens focal length multiplied by 1. 6.
e. 10-22 ~ = 16-35 EGF; 18-55 ~ = 28-85 EGF
make it as LX2 you need a lens 18-70 for 450D.


now noticed, and after 18-70 is the best in the world kit lens, but he Nikon. So what better D60 + 18-70, especially because Nikon crop factor of 1. 5 and 18mm on Nikon shiree.


20.08.2008 16:40:00
younger Nikon (D40-60) - an exception to the fact that I was talking about the carcass
Better Aunt Sonya

20.08.2008 16:42:00

Canan won And Pentax have many pixels.

Again - you tsyfry look, or pictures?
Look at the 4th last sample: 450-I - the only camera that has an absolute debayera artifacts on the risks and telltale glow of light around the ticks - a sign of the loop sharpening.

And looking even higher - K20 only camera showed no digital "pranks" on the top, the horizontal component of the worlds - the line smoothly, without color and fierce artifacts go into the "gray" in a700 and E-3 in something better than the 450. But the 450 - IMHO, most bad.
However, if the review was Nikon, I think the prize "supermuar" would be his. . .


I understand that line of Pentax - for most of the dark forest, but still Stump and have an excellent crop for Shirikov - DA 12-24. Having some experience of using them, I would say that he and EF-S birds of a feather, even at the price. The actual selection of the fan - this sigma, though the contrast she is worse - to a figure that does not have a serious problem, and the price is much lower.

20.08.2008 16:42:00

thanks! useful for Old.

PS soapbox chose 3 months look for the gallop choose SLR)))

20.08.2008 16:44:00

make it as LX2 you need a lens 18-70 for 450D.

new DA 17-70 / 4 - Pentax again. More expensive, but it is not 17-70 Nikon competitor. . .



which was ISO 1600 8532731. jpg?

booster up to 6400 ISO. 100% crop.

20.08.2008 16:53:00

And that was 18x zoom lens 70-300 is needed?

20.08.2008 17:00:00
You
us better about the brake Pentax AF Raskazhite

20.08.2008 17:00:00
It remains to understand how many to take pictures at ISO 1600 and above or equal to

20.08.2008 17:06:00

And that was 18x zoom lens 70-300 is needed?
No, 18x need some Olympus, I do not remember the name.
'X = "Max focal" divided by "m focal"

20.08.2008 17:07:00
quote:
:
you tell us about the best braking Pentax AF Raskazhite

to landscape it is very important


At prices you can orientate themselves in the immortal branch The cost of lenses (from budget to top-end) for different photo systems


20.08.2008 17:09:00

example, Food for Thought:
LX2 almost all subjects and conditions give a picture better than Canon 450D + Tamron AF 28-80mm f / 3. 5-5. 6 Aspherical .

20.08.2008 17:46:00

to landscape it is very important
Well, well want shelknut peyzazhek bird is in the right place Hlobil fighting remember how important it is.

20.08.2008 18:23:00

important for landscape light, not a bird. Landscape, he did not hurry love. As long as you find the best angle - forget about the birds. So by and large for a landscape that has generally autofocus that no - do not care.

And if it is necessary to have time to catch the bird, so it's not the landscape - it is closer to the reports, IMHO

20.08.2008 19:40:00

swoop and MRC can be close to objects? sorry for the stupid question. )
The closer, the more perspective distortion will. The minimum distance appears half a meter, but maybe I'm wrong. Here
interesting page with an overview of this lens http: // www. the-digital-picture. com / Reviews / Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3. 5-4. 5-USM-Lens-Review. aspx

20.08.2008 20:07:00

but mochemu? ((
let me dock clearly says what is the difference between 28-80mm f / 3. 5-5. 6 and example 18-55 IS

's found a decent chtonid think
Tamron AF 17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di- II LD SP ZL Aspherical (IF)
what you think about this?


21.08.2008 12:45:00

And what to think. That is a wonderful theme where this lens already thought, and thought well - Best staff Zuma cropped Canon Buy

21.08.2008 22:42:00
Here is the complete Sobieraj buy ammunition which eventually
Canon Digital Rebel XSi SLR + 4 GB SD Memory Card + Bag 700 $
Tamron AF 17-50mm F / 2. 8 XR Di-II LD SP ZL Aspherical (IF) Zoom Lens 400 $
Tamron AF 70-200mm f / 2. 8 Di LD IF Macro Lens 700 $
Canon Speedlite 580EX II Flash 420 $
Tripod 50 $

what else you want to add?


21.08.2008 23:10:00

What's that for a tripod left for 50 bucks?
not bullied, it is better to throw out the 50. Take a tripod, so normal.
 

22.08.2008 10:47:00

semd
you tell us about the best braking Pentax AF Raskazhite

Yes. He is so the brakes that are comfortable to use only pure-blooded Estonians - shoot stuffed prichek nailed huge nails to the wooden floor. Tripod:)

especially the brakes, "screwdriver", yeah. . . especially against the background of screwdriver Nikon and dormice.
About SDM and can not speak. . . . Yeah. . .


what ck not?
This is not a good tripod. It is suitable for cameras, but SLR with Screw "Tamron AF 70-200mm f / 2. 8 Di LD IF Macro Lens $ 700" this will keep the tripod stable complicated. . .
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