Need help in the selection of components for the filming of goods

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14.07.2008 19:18:00
So we have - office essno room is not dark, the goods, the biggest thing is probably the vacuum cleaner, the smallest something like electric shavers. Goods are usually quite glossy, and even with a brilliantly-stainless steel parts. It should be on the camera type Sony H2 pictures of goods to be placed it on the site, the size of photos on the site of 300 x 300, 600 x 600. The maximum photo quality should at least a http: // www. btmax. ru /? cid = 186 & amp; gid = 3315 or such http: // www. btmax. ru /? cid = 148 & amp; gid = 1666
This is certainly not ideal, but enough to start.
What you need to organize filming these objects? Please note, in office from top to fluorescent light, the sun through the windows and so on. D.
advance thank you all for quick, detailed answers. Unfortunately, as always all that is necessary to start yesterday, so little time suffers.
 

14.07.2008 19:28:00
is the grandfather:
stool upside down - on top stekto and white piece of paper under glass, one light, one more across the top sheet of tracing paper for example.

But seriously, it need two external pyhi and light-box. Table subject filming does not hurt.
What images will be smaller on the site, it does not mean that things should be reflected in all your facilities.

14.07.2008 19:38:00
As I understand it is necessary to begin to deal with glare on the product, this in my view is to go light box + to him a couple of halogen lamps or am I confusing you? Alternatively, this is Aurora ALD110 + REKAM Light Kit (Q-26K3 / 220) 3h250 watts. Goods inside, with three sides light, the lens in the hole. Well I have tea in this, so waiting for your advice. Maybe light some other, maybe not three, and the two candlesticks, help!

External pyhi not roll as far as I remember H2, it does not have Sync for outbreaks.


14.07.2008 19:51:00
Outside always roll just need to Sync to make any pyhi svetosinhronizatorami to take. The light source and one can, in principle, but it is very good to the bottom (background) More highlight. If
because too uniform coverage will then begin to disappear Volume of.

14.07.2008 20:05:00
And another question, I understand that the light boxes are designed to push the lens into the hole and pictures, given the size of the goods apparently because it does not, whether a front wall had to remove and carry away the camera?
Like it or not, and the price is set, all the plan (without a camera, as Sonya already) about 10,000 - 15,000 rubles. Pyhi with svetosinhonizatorami clearly emerge for the diappazon. At least for now I would like to find a solution in this price.
people! Get involved! Are not there other opinions? I would like to hear more than one vysskazyvanie.

14.07.2008 20:46:00

in my understanding must come light box + to him a couple of halogen lamps
svetilnokov The idea of ​​two lamps of 250-500 watts and the lightbox should be enough to capture the little things. . .

whether a front wall had to remove and carry away the camera?
It opens (where the lightning round), so it is possible. . .
And for larger devices can be purchased, plus background paper a couple of umbrellas on the translucent fixtures, and even in the lightbox is not always convenient, and overall traction of things to shoot there.

14.07.2008 21:24:00

Are not there other opinions? I would like to hear more than one vysskazyvanie.
use by Google. do not think that you are a pioneer in such matters.
if problems with the choice of words to search for, then start here
http: // www. zastavkin. com / forum / viewforum. php? f = 19
http: // www. zastavkin. com / forum / viewforum. php? f = 9

14.07.2008 21:35:00

Pyhi with svetosinhonizatorami clearly emerge for the diappazon. At least for now I would like to find a solution in this price.
There are those who climbs:
http: // www. lcdland. ru / vcd-1412-1-1774 / goodsinfo. html
http: // www. f-foto. ru / index. php? productID = 3 & amp; PHPSE ... 31a55739dfbaad5b3


given the size of the goods apparently because it does not, whether a front wall had to remove and carry away the camera?
possible, but it is studying the market.

14.07.2008 21:51:00
I thought I was a pioneer, but at this forum the answer to my question was not, so I created a new topic, something I did wrong? Or disturb peaceful sleep grandfather? Thanks for the link, sincere esteem, to study, but to look down on fellow Forum bad, we all learn something for life and forums just created to ask questions and receive answers.
Not such a little thing here, pylik of my link more than 10 kg and weighs and dimensions correspond, and other items rather big.
Ok, I will study.

14.07.2008 22:12:00

's look down on fellow Forum bad, we all learn something for life and forums just created to ask questions and receive answers.
no you do not look down. Topic beaten like an old soccer ball. Why produce the same type of theme?
more, I'll tell you right away: it's very good! really! ! bulk material and you do not get an answer in a couple sentences. there are entire methodology of subject photos, entire schools are teaching these tricks.
here's a place where you can search http: // club. foto. ru / forum / 17
just do not make it just a theme, look - there is a lot of answers.

15.07.2008 8:42:00
You see, we have quite a small picture, and it all has to be put on stream, as exhibited on the site is necessary all the time, 10-20 products a day. At the same time there is a certain economic expediency by all pictures, but not ready to take the picture from the producers, I do appreciate it for themselves in the 15-20 m. P. , Without a camera, as it is, and the other will not (probably not prpvilno, but unfortunately this is the case). That is why I asked how to do it correctly from knowledgeable people - participants of this forum. So far as I understand it can be traced version of one light-box + fixtures (here opinions diverge is what and how much) + tripod + camera. Since I never done it (this does not my specific), I created this topic on this forum I have not found similar, so that nothing of the fetus, the rules of this forum have kept since 2002, so there's not reproach me nothing. Once again - with the above, I'll do a bunch of the desired result or the choice is fundamentally wrong?

15.07.2008 9:34:00
I remember one local topic: how to make a simple photo studio for shooting a subject and how to work with it there
involved. . . and this is interesting.
In general, the tops today and ran with something and somehow start. And the elimination of defects, errors and improving - in the process of work and permanent training.

15.07.2008 9:49:00

observe the rules of the forum since 2002, so there's not reproach me for anything.
sorry, do not blame you. just the information that you request - is very big.
again - with the above-mentioned binder, I will achieve the desired result, or the choice is fundamentally wrong?
if technically correct experience with the camera, the ability to work with Photoshop - yes, some will be positive. Please note that normal boxes should be more than the subject of not less than three times the volume
you polazte Forum Zastavkina there somewhere there is a kick-ass theme of predmetke.


option that's Aurora ALD110 + REKAM Light Kit (Q-26K3 / 220) 3h250 watts.
+ tripod and you can start


It is involved. . . and this is interesting.
elegant Tiomka. . .

15.07.2008 11:41:00

MAG Not such a little thing here, pylik of my link more than 10 kg and weighs and dimensions correspond, and other items rather big.
I often rented various computer components, mainly housing and power supply units. I can say that relatively large objects (buildings) is more convenient to shoot the backgrounds, and the smaller the size of the cube in light 60h60h60 see. If you take laytkub larger, you have to significantly increase the power of the backlight.
Ceiling Light is desirable to turn off when recording, window hang black cloth or paper, the same frnami, for example.
desirable to consider the question immediately ventilated premises / areas recording as much basking lamp and two hours of work, you can get the real tropics.

15.07.2008 13:08:00
Oh, how bad! We unfortunately there is no way for this case highlight the dark room, I wrote about it. Just a corner of the office, of course turn off the overhead light, but the windows - not destiny, with huge windows, bright. Regarding equipment, is chosen here's what - Smartum Light cube LC-120 (as an inexpensive option laytkuba large, then it can be changed if necessary) + Smartum HaloZoom Video KIT (there are three lights in the counters) + Tripod Benro Aluminium A -series tripod A-057 + to his head Benro Ballhead BH-00. Next we will look at the result, I hope will arrange everything.

15.07.2008 13:42:00

Oh how bad!
The camera has a RAW? If not, then it sucks, as zhpege white balance (WB) is adjusted is not specified. . . Although if only laytkube can normally be removed, it is necessary to look at the place.

We unfortunately there is no way for this case highlight the dark room, I wrote about it. Just a corner of the office,
We also used to be so, then found a room.

but the windows - not destiny, with huge windows, bright.
fenced off anything, strut-type with backgrounds, there is no possibility?
head to it Benro Ballhead BH-00 head
better not ball, and the usual three-dimensional (3-Way Pan / Tilt Head), in this case.
Type such

15.07.2008 14:21:00
Rava no, dzhipeg unfortunately. Dissociate itself also is not possible, on any need to do all this in such an environment, others will not. The camera is also only such in the future, maybe something else, but it is, alas.

15.07.2008 15:17:00

Rava
no pity. . . Since it is convenient to work in the technical plan and the quality of the image above is obtained. . .
camera is also only such
to the camera when shooting predmetki requirements for the Web is quite soft soap dish on a large matrix with RAW, in principle, sufficient. . . While SLR with Live View image will certainly better.

but is alas.
funding is not isolated?

15.07.2008 15:35:00
That's not the allocation of finance business, and economic feasibility. With an average mark-up on goods in 35 greens you can count themselves how much to sell the goods only to recoup just the whole idea. so the internet usually all stupidly tyryat photo from competitors or if there take representational photos.

15.07.2008 18:42:00
I understand the idea of ​​the foundation - it should be cheap.
Light-box then made from scrap materials - acrylic 2mm milk or carton of a product with cutouts in the walls, tracing paper taped. if you want to remove and vacuum cleaner - a meter on a meter. . . . Light - halogen spotlights, two 500-watt and two 150 watt. All four are connected through a single power strip and turn the button of the current at the time of shooting. Under the conditions of the room 15 m2 hell you will have 20 minutes of work. If you can not avoid glare - to change the location of the light and shoot with a tripod second frame, then - HDR - it. . . . in terms of HDR-it. . . Is not it easier to scans from the docks foty item?

15.07.2008 19:46:00

MAG's not the allocation of finance business, and economic feasibility. With an average mark-up on goods in 35 greens you can count themselves how much to sell the goods only to recoup just the whole idea
I honestly do not quite understand how you tie the cost of site clearance to the amount of sales. . . There is a desire to do well? So anyway I have to invest once, and not such a huge amount of money goes there. The idea is that if the range is large enough to need it to take the individual who will be engaged purposefully filling the catalog.

so the internet usually all stupidly tyryat photo from competitors
there such a thing - Watermark. . . See. Nix. ru - they generally one of the best directories.
Moreover tyryat not only photos, but also specs, which often do not correspond to reality even distributors.


All four are connected through a single power strip and turn the button of the current at the time of shooting.
So do not need to, because if SF will burn and not immediately, then pretty quickly on such a load. . . The probability is very high. Take a closed outlet for wet areas, such as switch and plug wire is connected mnogogzhilnym required length (preferably rubber insulation) and it turns out quite decent power strip. . . But it's easier to use a different outlet.

15.07.2008 20:04:00
not easy, often products, especially new items, which do not have any pictures anywhere, any reklamku or in the internet. In addition, there was an idea after all items from several sides to show, moreover, also equipment, but there is only yourself.
you do not understand, everything that is done with the site, of course done solely to increase sales. Naturally, any waste - is overhead, sales revenue, minus overhead obtain profit / loss per unit of time (eg per month). The margin on the product in the internet the average for our subject - 35 greens, rarely rises to 45, all set to photograph the product is worth the money, divide the cost by the average margin - how much edenits obtain goods must be sold to recoup the investment. As for the Knicks - you can argue, for me it is not so, he and convenient, do not have many common things in the internet, well, God bless him. The desire is there to do well, at least well enough, but not just for the sake of good or beauty, namely raschityvaya that the work done to raise as attendance and sales, not by themselves of course, but combined with the right pricing policy companies do.

16.07.2008 13:41:00

desire is to make good, at least well enough
As you have said here, everything can be done at virtually no cost to the knees - laytkub out of the box, light kopek halogen, large bright windows - well, so if you want to do well, and you can work at night, right?
I do not know, of course, on what you value their time. But with such a primitive approach, your effort to get the pictures will be very large, especially because as you said yourself, you are in the photo is not a specialist. Background shooting completely knock you hardly will have on each frame in Photoshop magic. Laytkub out of the box for episodic shooting, but the flow of it you will not live long. The absence of a separate room - this means that lighting and other would regularly fall from hooks for them and for the wire. Halogens will make a pair that within half an hour you are not going to think about shooting, but only about a cold beer and a cool shower. On his knees in the corner, you can have fun as a hobby, but a serious and high quality work - hardly.
So the conclusion - laytkub still need a normal, normal and flash also needed. And even if the window blinds to hang, relegating to shoot in the morning or evening, depending on where the sun is. And at least a few square meters to allocate it a mini-studio, and somehow fence that there is no extraneous shastali that the equipment there was unfolded continuously in order to not have to every time its collapse, expand, throwing wires at random and then clinging for them. . .
If only it were so simple, accessible and cheap, the professional photographers would have long extinct as a class
 

16.07.2008 14:34:00

As you here have already said. . . . If only it were so simple, accessible and cheap, the professional photographers would have long extinct as a class
+1

16.07.2008 19:35:00
Truncated done chef! Laytkub 120h120h120 bought, bought a tripod for the camera, the light of 3 lamps, for all this mess in the corner allotted obscure, zavvalennoy junk office room (type miniskladik), all is in the unfolded state. Now we start tomorrow to try on all this splendor.

16.07.2008 20:27:00

Well, I'm glad for you. Do not think for work then share how to try on this magnificence

16.07.2008 22:44:00
This is difficult, everything Semi-pro or, as we humble beginning, so I hardly something will please or surprise. In any case we will try to learn.

17.07.2008 0:11:00

this complex, everything is, or Semi-pro, and we are a modest beginning, so it's hardly something I will please or surprise. In any case we will try to learn.
There is actually very little pro. So you do not hesitate - write. I, for example, the situation is similar to yours. Even the goals and objectives are the same (as the budget ). By the way what fixtures bought? That would be about the heat not for nothing that people write. I work on a self-made raskoryaku with fluorescent lamps. They did not seem to hot - can be held by hand, and still after 20 minutes of work, I all wet

17.07.2008 1:38:00

MAG You do not understand, everything that is done with the site, of course done solely to increase sales. Naturally, any waste - is overhead, sales revenue, minus overhead obtain profits
In in, I did not understand, as you do in the overhead was just shooting. . . surprising number.
I do not know how it will help uvedicheniyu sales, but the number of visitors is expected to increase. . . I, for instance, in the same Knicks buy something rare, but specs I go often to see pictures too. . .

for all this mess in the corner allotted obscure, zavvalennoy junk room office
Well another thing, and the rooms do not have air conditioning Ask directly to the fan helps poor. . .

17.07.2008 6:20:00
Because of a certain attachment to a particular store that's Smartum Light cube LC-120 + Smartum HaloZoom Video KIT (there are three lights in the counters) + Tripod Benro Aluminium A-series tripod A-057 + head to it Benro Ballhead BH-00

INCLUDING, In my opinion svetlnichki for such a large cube rather weak. 2 put on the sides, but the third campaign will have to put back, then more or less can achieve uniform illumination.


18.07.2008 14:10:00
The people understand that this is discussed more than once, and more on the discussion forums this issue more place than here, but all the same - on the background of what is best to shoot the same sewing machines, to quickly and conveniently can be later this background remove photos and leave only the typewriter?

18.07.2008 14:34:00
White sometimes can not be removed, depending on how you will take off, and everything else about the same. . . Again, if the object is not solid at seike on a background other than white will likely have to cut the background, not only along the perimeter of the object, but also in areas inside the perimeter, where the background is visible. . . In general, I usually shoot on white, sometimes enclose the front piece of black background when seike mirror and highly reflective objects, so it is not too vybelivalsya due to reflections from the background. . .

18.07.2008 15:47:00
the backdrop better to shoot the same sewing machines, to quickly and conveniently you can then remove the background from a photo and leave just a machine?

on anyone. And you can even on a very motley, to use unconventional methods to then separating the image of the object from the background. Your event - staged predmetki, it could not be better suited for that. But better still to use the background that is significantly different from otbekta color or tone. Invented a long time for other purposes, but in such cases only to them and use - manual labor selection tools - no, the allocation to the nearest pixel. I will describe very briefly, realized in the items themselves.
shoots two frames. It is necessary to shoot with a tripod, the camera for both staff strictly stationary. Please take off your "machine" in the background. The second frame shooting the same, but without the "typewriter", t. E. Only one background. In the editor, you place the frame in both the two layers and to reduce them by the method of Difference. At the same time you get a "mask differences" which kontrastiruete to b / w and then use as a mask selection "typewriter". If you can, then the mask will even soft shadow image of the object.

18.07.2008 17:08:00

selection tools of manual labor - no
But labor loader shooting provided if the number of angles and the weight of more than one subject more than 5 kg. . . But the method is interesting, thanks. . . Especially for items with a rectangular shape is overdue, apparently. . .

18.07.2008 22:41:00
Thank you! Amusing way I will try. While a sozhalniyu faced with the obvious shortage of coverage of a sufficiently large cube if the sides can be more properly illuminate the front too much shadow, if one of the 3 spotlights move for the camera, it is not enough that the shadow of the object appears in the background that is highly undesirable, so more and glare glossy plastic goods. I tried to hang him from the front wall of the cube (which is removable), was much better, but still not enough light. Now think how to fight, you will likely have to buy the same softbox, at least on the front illuminator.

19.07.2008 0:28:00
faced with the obvious shortage of lighting

It was clear from the outset. Permanent artificial light in the photo - it's almost always a losing option. Already the first attempts to use it make clear the futility of such a venture. And the problems are only detected and multiplying. In addition, the possibilities of that is not enough, you still face the problem of its regulations and as a result, unresolved issues with BB. Then heat, then the risk of fire the outlets, the props - rejoice that it is you've never flunked. Prepare to be that in a couple of weeks of agony and frustration after buy-pulsed light and feel human. Why all and come to the end.

likely have to buy the same softbox, at least at the front illuminator

What is the meaning of it, when your cube wall - is the soft box, has a secondary light source. Or do you have from the camera at the wall of the cube there? ? ? Then it's a big mistake. So while you think, because you have to close pristavlyat light to the walls, and pulse will - be able to remove a foot-meter and the light will be scattered and sufficient. You do not quite understand the true purpose of the light and the cube. The idea fomuliruetsya roughly as follows: the light from the outside of the cube does not need to shine through his wall of light rays, but in order to make the wall cube secondary light source, ie. E. To them. . . They emit light inside the cube of its area. Because it is called LITE-Cube, t. E. LIGHT CUBE, cube, radiating into the light. In addition, (a mistake of many beginners) at your objects is one feature - they are glossy. No clothes, no furniture, no human body, not wood, not clay. Glossy objects when shooting should be like. . . do not cover the light and give. . . Reflective okruschayuschim subjects on the walls of your objects. E. That around your vacuum cleaner is located, it is reflected on the surface of the vacuum cleaner and the view of the picture. E. In these objects you create is not light-shadow, like a portrait, clothes, furniture and so on. N., And depict the glare on the surface reflection of the environment. All the time, imagine that you have a vacuum cleaner / machine / tea makers are not plastic / metal as well. . . mirror and they reflect all that is around and the picture is drawn. Therefore place them in a white cube. And because there is no concept of the filling, drawing a, background, and so on. N. Light.
Soft box - a very useful thing, and useful to you too, but. . . But more often the case in surveys pridmetki outside the cube.

19.07.2008 6:41:00
The fact that it is extremely inconvenient to remove from the front wall, there is a slot for the camera is high enough and you can certainly try to cut it further, is not the point, just clearly shows that when one light is in front, the light is more or less enough let's say, a bit lacking, and that I think that soft box in front, the lamp will pomozhnee just what you need. As for the pulse light, and so I do not to \\ pengagen in all this, but under conditions of constant light that something is seen as the Gono and with momentum - and then there's the experience needed apparently abruptly, besides special funds for the purchase of switching power is not willing to allocate.

24.07.2008 22:43:00
So until and marking time, two problems, the first - not enough light in the front, the product has significant dip in the front illumination, flash gives too strong glare, so it is not an option. The second - and did not find a comfortable background to then easily / easy / fast to remove it in Photoshop.
may still someone condescend to my problems and suggest possible solutions to these two problems?

25.07.2008 0:18:00

first - not enough light in the front
push deeper into the subject of the cube and put the lights not to the front, but closer to the camera


then to easy / easy / fast to remove it in Photoshop.
And try to illuminate it from below. Cube because the bottom is also translucent.

anything seen how Gono will, and with momentum - and then there's the experience probably needed abruptly
(whispering): actually have candy bars have a pilot light. Galogenochka next to the flash lamp. The light is not very strong, but the shadows will fall - seen

I have another problem. You have to shoot a lot of chrome figoviny. They reflected any background they merge with the background completely. It turns out very soft one. Shadows is not present, but also the subject is barely visible

25.07.2008 0:55:00
may still someone condescend to my problems and suggest possible solutions to these two problems?

Are you ready for them to respond adequately? While this was not observed. Your action is stacked in such logic, "the guard, help me, tell me, how to, but be aware that what you say, I still ignore, and make their own way, I do not need fooling arguments and their experiences, and tell me that this is my problem, I know that I am right, not you, at least in this and do not understand, and my problems are, so tell me, help, guard. " : O)

I have another problem. You have to shoot a lot of chrome figoviny. They reflected any background they merge with the background completely. It turns out very soft one. Shadows is not present, but also the subject is barely visible

nature of this "problem" described in proactively post Need some help in the selection of components for the filming of goods # 35 because all her face, until they realize that predmetka, especially chrome (highlights) - it is not a portrait and furniture, lights and shadows, and she should not and can not be. How can they be in the mirror. Another of the reasons for the decline of contrast when shooting predmetki (especially in light boxes) is exposure to direct rays of light sources on the front of the lens, t. E. Underestimation of the hood and dampers.

26.07.2008 6:57:00
As a result of many experiments I concluded that indeed pogluyuzhe a cube, two light sources at the sides closer to the front wall than to the distal third source front / top, front wall half omitted, and it is as if the scattering portion, the camera still it remains open and easily accessible, which is convenient, besides dostavanie items from the bottom is quite simple and operative. Background was better than all black, native set of cube, but nothing to back shone (You all remember that the room is not dark, the light from the window well and light cube is just back to the window) for the native black laid another Black. Something in this situation was to emerge, unfortunately the evening of Friday was not enough time before the end to fix the result, will continue on Monday.
The fact that you think your opinion entirely correct, OK, so maybe it is, but for me pochsetiteli this forum, so I do not know them are about the same reputation, and after lengthy negotiations with various consultants in the shops, plus tips in this forum, plus reading other forums seemed to me the scheme (that I bought) it is entitled to life. In addition, pulsed light has clearly more difficulty in the work, but maybe I'm wrong, and besides, he is clearly much more expensive.

http: // www. btmax. ru /? cid = 186 & amp; gid = 4922 here last Friday, in a hurry to make a photo posted sample. Of course bad, of course overexposure and flat, I understand, but at the moment for me it's a breakthrough, you have not seen before that turned out. Here at least there is something to work with, something beginning to understand.


30.07.2008 1:22:00
What
. . . Normally it happened. Cut the photo from the background successfully? In one fell swoop?

30.07.2008 10:54:00
almost one, or rather three, magic wand. I can be much better, I will try to yet do not always have the time, is now such a small dam, so come back to this a bit later.
 

21.08.2008 17:13:00
I also raises the question of taking the goods, and I want to do is not bad. There is equipment: Canon 300D + 50 \\ 1. 4 + 430Ex. Product dimensions up to 20 cm, 20-30 cm, and the dimensions of inkjet printers.
Will I buy light cube 60h60h60 and set set the studio lights Falcon SSK-2110P . If so, what else could you need?
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