Airshow and Zuma. . .

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01.06.2007 14:31:00
At the end of the month to be shooting an air show, that needed a zoom.
eyeing to:
0- Canon EF 100-400mm f / 4. 5-5. 6L IS USM. . .
1- Canon EF 70-300 mm F / 4. 5-5. 6 DO IS USM. . . http: // www. foto. ru / canon_ef70-300mm_f_4. 5-5. 6_do_is_usm. html
2- Canon EF 70-200 mm f / 2. 8 L USM. . . http: // www. foto. ru / canon_ef70-200mm_f_2. 8l_usm. html
3- Canon EF 70-200 mm F / 4. 0 L IS USM. . . http: // www. foto. ru / canon_ef_70-200_mm_f_4. 0l_is_usm. html
4- SIGMA AF 50-500 mm f / 4-6. 3 EX DG? http: // www. foto. ru / product. php? id = 19967 & amp; from = club_camera_prod
And that is not defined. . . advise. You can of course also other models. . .
p. s. apparatus canon 30D
 

01.06.2007 15:05:00
shot 26. 05 on the Dnieper Red Bulls manual zoom 75-260 on film . It was felt that the EGF 70-200 is normal, 70-300 could add something (and could not). When they pass overhead, EGF 70 even longish. Ideally, take two cameras, one with a 70-200, the second something like 24-105 (time to change the lens will not be 100%)

Aperture 2. 8 is not required against the sky as you shoot. Polarizer need definitely! I did not have, was dissatisfied with (a hot day, the sun - and haze).

their future 30-ku plan to take shtatnika Canon EF-S 17-55 IS USM, and the second one of the stabilized 70-200 (probably f / 4 which porezche, easier and cheaper, but look again...)

01.06.2007 15:07:00

I would have to choose between 0 and 4.

01.06.2007 15:15:00

1- Canon EF 70-300 mm F / 4. 5-5. 6 DO IS USM. . . http: // www. foto. ru / canon_ef70-300mm_f_4. 5-5. 6_do_is_usm. html
Instead stump take better normal 70-300IS. Porezche will.


I would have to choose between 0 and 4.
Bigman in the hands of long hold.

01.06.2007 15:26:00
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I would have to choose between 0 and 4.
Bigman in the hands of long hold.
right on this forum there are people who filmed it and it airshow Bigman.
Well monopod is probably worth taking - 100-400 is also not to say that a feather .

01.06.2007 15:40:00
It is believed that the air show at the maximum focal removed. Therefore need not zoom and fixed. And the longer the better, still will not be enough.

01.06.2007 16:08:00
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: Well, the monopod is probably worth taking
Well, where it then use when you have to turn the mouth of the lens horizontally from left to right on 90-100 degrees and at the same time vertically from 20-30 to 90 degrees ? I, too, was so smart, he thought with a tripod when shooting, but they kaaak began flying directly overhead. It turned out that only a hand something out. imagine it waving the camera from side to side with screwed monopod. . .

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: It is believed that the air show at the maximum focal removed. Therefore need not zoom and fixed. And the longer the better, still will not be enough.
I do not understand why no "maximum" or why suddenly "Fix Only". Correct to say - so focus to (at least) planes are not lost in the frame. Too long you will remove the focus portrait of the pilot in the cockpit (if polarizer is to remove the glare from the lamp) - is it required? Only if it is required? In my personal opinion, 70-200 to be sprinkled at the time.

01.06.2007 16:20:00
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: It is believed that the air show at the maximum focal removed. Therefore need not zoom and fixed. And the longer the better, still will not be enough.
I do not understand why no "maximum" or why suddenly "Fix Only". Correct to say - so focus to (at least) planes are not lost in the frame. Too long you will remove the focus portrait of the pilot in the cockpit (if polarizer is to remove the glare from the lamp) - is it required? Only if it is required? In my personal opinion, 70-200 to be sprinkled at the time. [/ Q]

But it all depends on the fly our planes or stand on vzlёtke. In my assumption - fly. Fix it will be easier, brighter and better.

01.06.2007 16:32:00
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: But it all depends on the fly our planes or stand on vzlёtke. In my assumption - fly. Fix it will be easier, brighter and better.
Whom they stood on Vzletka much interesting. . . But when they begin to fly amplitude-syudy, acrobatics to get up, something about the fix I strongly doubt.

01.06.2007 16:35:00
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shot 26. 05 on the Dnieper Red Bulls manual zoom 75-260 on film . It was felt that the EGF 70-200 is normal, 70-300 could add something (and could not). When they pass overhead, EGF 70 even longish. Ideally, take two cameras, one with a 70-200, the second something like 24-105 (time to change the lens will not be 100%)

Aperture 2. 8 is not required against the sky as you shoot. Polarizer need definitely! I did not have, was dissatisfied with (a hot day, the sun - and haze).

their future 30-ku plan to take shtatnika Canon EF-S 17-55 IS USM, and the second one of the stabilized 70-200 (probably f / 4 which porezche, easier and cheaper, but look more...)

I have just such a set - and you can recommend, will not be disappointed for sure!
Canon EF-S 17-55 F2. 8 IS USM
Canon EF 70-200 F4 IS USM
Canon 30D

01.06.2007 16:42:00
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: I have just such a set - and you can recommend, will not be disappointed for sure!
With money tugovato until'll Canon EF-S 17-55 F2. 8 IS USM and I will have exactly one AF lens IS others - the old hand.

While it may still for a second glass - on 70-200 f / 2. 8 L IS USM aim? how to think?

take this opportunity to question! As IS behaves when shooting "wiring"? Well, there is a low-flying aircraft (or bird), riding a car, flying jumping rider? IS is necessary for things to turn off, or it somehow helps if enabled, or vice versa included harms?

01.06.2007 16:42:00
The dimensions of course attracts Canon EF 70-300 mm F / 4. 5-5. 6 DO IS USM, because as with L-Coy course more (it's not in the budget), (shot at them earlier in the video XL-1, but that's beside the point), and so, and I would like a more compact fit, but not at the expense of quality. . . . someone can show the work of 70-300?

01.06.2007 17:00:00
It is believed that the air show at the maximum focal removed. Therefore need not zoom and fixed. And the longer the better, still will not be enough.
in general, it is not. Even with 135mm lens from time to time had to reduce the zoom to the plane climbed into the frame.

take this opportunity to question! As IS behaves when shooting "wiring"? Well, there is a low-flying aircraft (or bird), riding a car, flying jumping rider? IS is necessary for things to turn off, or it somehow helps if enabled, or vice versa included harms?
at least not-L lenses more harm in such cases

01.06.2007 17:18:00
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: I have just such a set - and you can recommend, will not be disappointed for sure!
With money tugovato until'll Canon EF-S 17-55 F2. 8 IS USM and I will have exactly one AF lens IS others - the old hand.

While it may still for a second glass - on 70-200 f / 2. 8 L IS USM aim? how to think?

take this opportunity to question! As IS behaves when shooting "wiring"? Well, there is a low-flying aircraft (or bird), riding a car, flying jumping rider? IS is necessary for things to turn off, or it somehow helps if enabled, or vice versa included harms?


absolutely does not help, because the subject is moving. IS - chief assistant when shooting static subjects with a lack of light.

01.06.2007 17:18:00
Yes, that is too little idea how people manage to Fix a dynamic place to shoot things, if only then sprinkle everything and cut, but. . . . . and the meaning?

01.06.2007 17:22:00
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: IS - chief assistant when shooting static subjects with a lack of light.
There is one situation in which the IS should taxied everyone and everything through the floor. This is when you shoot a car traveling on the run from a moving car, on a parallel course.

01.06.2007 17:32:00
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: IS - chief assistant when shooting static subjects with a lack of light.
There is one situation in which the IS should taxied everyone and everything through the floor. This is when you shoot a car traveling on the run from a moving car, on a parallel course.

Day was no use, I always unplug it. In the evening, yes. But at 2. 8 holes without IS is also possible to remove all depends on the availability of light.

01.06.2007 17:35:00
The usual thing - recommendations are made on the basis of their fancy izimyshleny, t. E. On an "as I see it" and "the birds from a distance shot, and planes are the same birds." Read and wonder. . . So I want to suggest "that's it and shoot himself, fun to watch from the sidelines for dancing with tambourines." : O)
Apparently, all come from the main considerations that the planes away, and must occupy the entire frame, so 300-500. : O)
I went and looked, what I polzoval RF, believing memory that about 200 tonnes, no more. Well, shooting on the ground, which took the largest number of shots and gave the most interesting story - this is a common reportazhka. I photographed a couple of hours before the flight and regretted that he had come so late, there was still an hour or two before. Sami flights because the strength of the last 15-20 minutes of pure "flight" of the shooting time well if ten minutes. So, on the ground all filmed in the range of 35-200mm EGF, flight - no more than 120. Five shots filmed at 240 and not planes and paratroopers snizhayuschitesya far. Attempt to remove streaking moments of full frame (which will require 200-300) - it is practically pointless and stupid - no sense of speed and space, all of them have to shoot with a large margin of heavenly space, with trains, especially when flying in groups. They do not fly high, very afar, but they are not interested in low forms and silhouettes are hardly distinguishable, removed only krtyh turns, and the approach spans, and for this and 100mm is enough. In addition, keep in the frame but still enough to focus on the big picture nesuzheesya transonic speed edifice on EGF 400-500 - it totally hopeless. Forget polyarik funny even to read about it, that's really writing clean water. Hood is obligatory, fast series is desirable but not a lot of sense. Imagine cuttlefish in the sky, which from getting into your field of vision from horizon to loss of sight in the other horizon sweeps seconds behind. . . five and you'll understand why a series of little use, and even more so from polyarika. It is better to remove almost all giperfokuse, poprizhat aperture and forget about AF and tracking system. From the is-and no much good, so Canon EF 70-200 mm f / 2. 8 L USM - ideal. Tripod, monopod - sshibut in the first minute on and no need for them, still soaking will 1/200 - 1/500, if the sky without clouds.

01.06.2007 18:55:00


100-400L, that's the maximum zoom with a little sprinkled on CROP 1. 6

http: // www. photosight. ru / photo. php? photoid = 509343 & amp; ref = author

100mm also sometimes useful.

01.06.2007 21:23:00

too long you will remove the focus portrait of the pilot in the cockpit (if polarizer is to remove the glare from the lamp) - is it required?

And for my taste, the pilot in the cockpit flying an airplane - a normal shot, but sit on the tail of the lead? !

01.06.2007 23:15:00
Max shot past Sigma 70-300 from hundreds of frames in the air - a dozen focus on 7-100, a dozen at 100-200, the remaining 80 - 300. 400 would also be a good idea. On the ground need Shirikov, t. To. A large gathering of people, it is desirable to remove the equipment closer to the audience in the extra frame does not fit.

02.06.2007 1:44:00
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: shooting on the ground, which took the largest number of shots and gave the most interesting story - this is a common reportazhka. I photographed a couple of hours before the flight and regretted that he had come so late, there was still an hour or two before.
All right.
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Sami flights because the strength of the last minute 15-20
These 15-20 minutes is the most interesting
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attempt to remove streaking moments of full frame (which will require 200-300) - Business practically pointless and stupid - no sense of speed and space
This feeling can appear only in relation to land and landmarks recognizable entities. Here the focus 70 may already be redundant.
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keep the frame but still enough to focus on the big picture nesuzheesya transonic speed edifice on EGF 400-500 - it totally hopeless
Red Bulls fly ridiculous speeds. It is not instant.
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Forget polyarik funny even to read about it, that's really writing clean water.
At this point I ask more.
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Hood obligatory
Yes.
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Imagine cuttlefish in the sky, which from getting into your field of vision from the horizon to the loss of sight in the other horizon sweeps seconds behind. . . five and you'll understand why a series of little use, and even more so from polyarika.
About polyarik more, please.
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better to shoot at almost all giperfokuse, poprizhat aperture and forget about AF and tracking system.
Yes. On a tip sharpness forget immediately put nails and do not touch.
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from is-but no much good, so the Canon EF 70-200 mm f / 2. 8 L USM - ideal. Tripod, monopod - sshibut in the first minute on and no need for them, still soaking will 1/200 - 1/500, if the sky without clouds.
What I'm saying. Tripods, monopods. . . goodbye.

02.06.2007 8:52:00

At this point I ask more.
About polyarik more, please.

Online written about it in great detail. Understand finally, what it is, when and how it works. Maybe even then cease to confuse people and offer it where no hitting - and in the storm, and air show, based on only of their guesses and assumptions.

02.06.2007 9:25:00

probably want zooms to 400 and more. Too long distances. He sometimes rented airshow and 70-300 (sprinkled on somewhere 100-450) is sometimes not enough. About fixes, forget it. Their aircraft in motion you budesh long catch and zoom easily.
http: // www. pbase. com / sergdx / image / 79776809 & amp; exif = Y

02.06.2007 16:02:00
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: Understand finally, what it is, when and how it works.
Yes, I, you know, back in 1982 with polyarikom shot. I have it on the table and now is the same one for Jupiter in the 4th "Kiev". That storm did not try, et true. Hopefully, someone will try and tell you. But for the airshow polyarik - an indispensable thing. Just bought another 67 mm. But buy soon. By the way, how are your impressions about Marumi? This is attributed filters? In Kiev, they are, and no one else is practically not.

02.06.2007 20:42:00
But airshow polyarik - an indispensable thing.
doubt. Werth lens back and forth until you are worn by aircraft, while still dokruchivat polyarik - too busy.
Well, if you stand out and shoot in one direction, then maybe.
 

02.06.2007 21:56:00

in the storm itself did not try, et true. Hopefully, someone will try and tell you. But for the airshow polyarik - an indispensable thing.

you with the same power of persuasion argued that polyarik in the storm steers. While others do not razrulili Your belief in tatters. With the same airshow.


Werth lens back and forth until you are worn by aircraft, while still dokruchivat polyarik - too busy.
Well, if you stand out and shoot in one direction, then maybe.


Oh, but you and one of "fiddling". And even if the direction of the sun are lucky, and sometimes in the same direction no effect can not be.

03.06.2007 7:48:00
Use kit 24-70L (for taxiing when close approach allowed), 100-400IS - the runway, the flight, the remaining cases.
100-400 - on monopod (a "paw" screwed), which is not so important when shooting, but simply unloads his hands and does not waste time on "vskidyvaniem" camera. I have on it is not very cheap ball Manfrotto 332, so no problem with the positioning of the camera is not, even at the zenith. On the other hand, not just nablyudall as colleagues with the usual "monopodnoy" head (single-axis) that leaves the ground in the management of the aircraft (although no crime do not see this, except that hurt someone from others can), and Here is the wiring on the runway to do - great help.
Polyarik - absolutely useless if you have one camera - have to twist in the entire hemisphere at 360 degrees all the time to keep track with the position of the polarizer - is unrealistic. If several cameras - one captures takeoffs and landings, some other area where specific aircraft "cool" - can be. But in this case - tripods, monopods and not, chairs, palatochki receivers on the aerodrome frequency, refrigerators, flight schedule, etc., etc. more professional equipment spotterskoe . No real reflections from planes polyarik not remove - metal airframe and Plexiglas windows and glass cockpits he does not suppress, and the present in the glass planes in such fine detail sticks out, that does not matter (well, any fotopushka in the nose with a blend, but their own Optical, photographic equipment of the aircraft). . .
Blends - are required if there is no special artistic purpose.
Autofocus - always. Even the old D60 and Sigma grasped almost always. The current top five with a description of optics - 1000 pictures, well, maybe 3-4 past the focus. ISO is usually 320-400, f = 8-11, exposure in the area of ​​1 / 1000-1 / 1500. Screws on the piston are drawn not so nice, but the carcass - in perfect clarity. The jet - optimally. During takeoff landing can give genuine, that would draw the speaker wiring, but you can in Photoshop then
Stabilizer - is included. Some may not like the "jumping" image Vizier, and I'm comfortable - used and know where the next "jump" is an object, but the object is close to 200-400mm is not lost. With the aircraft on the runway stabilizer translate into position 2.
400 mm - IMHO the most that need t. To. Take pictures of distant aircraft has no practical value - updrafts (usually hot) air from the earth's surface interfere with its draw the clear. Maximum - 500-700 meters, then - jitter solid.
can shoot in RAW, you can in JPG - powerful automation errors in these conditions does not, a maximum of +/- Changes house half-foot fully extended and with dzhipega, contrast can screw up once. Well
and banal choice of a place - an important thing. Near the runway at 50-100 meters ahead of the point where the aircraft touching the ground "smoky" of rubber - ideal for shooting the take-off and landing, but with shooting figures - more difficult. It seems to me (and the pilots did not talk, just an observation) that letchki reluctant twist, if the sun in the face, although it is optimal from the point of view of the photographer - the sun behind him, the plane is well lit and is a photographer. There is usually a compromise has to be addressed. Raspechatanaya map of the area with the least of Google and the approximate course of the sun with labels on the clock cool facilitate migration within the field.
Well, do not forget - hat / bandana, a cream for burns, a couple of bottles of drink, something to chew on - waste to stall for zhrachkoy cherevato loss to warm places
In general, all the tips rather banal - the second or third set of filming will understanding. It's all described for the "first time".

03.06.2007 10:21:00

use a set 24-70L (for taxiing when close approach allowed), 100-400IS - the runway, the flight, the remaining cases.
100-400 - on monopod (a "paw" screwed), which is not so important when shooting, but simply unloads his hands and does not waste time on "vskidyvaniem" camera. I have on it is not very cheap Manfrotto 332 Ball


I do not you I "shot" ?
on lenses: I sozhilos impression that will be very much in demand on the DF 300-400 sprinkled, but the wide angle is also very interesting, at least for this frame . Therefore, for the good shots you need at least two lenses, such as in DAY_MEN. And I absolutely agree with the choice of place: it is the most important thing, if you know which patch will be carried out all the tricks, you can catch one lens and very good staff.

03.06.2007 10:41:00
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But airshow polyarik - an indispensable thing.
doubt. Werth lens back and forth until you are worn by aircraft, while still dokruchivat polyarik - too busy.
Well, if you stand out and shoot in one direction, then maybe.
Depends on where you are, of course.

03.06.2007 10:44:00

Nope! I - "a zero" too many years. Today was shooting the show and air show MAAM in Reading, Pennsylvania Unfortunately due to traffic jams missed fights Yak-9 and Messer-Be109E, but the B-17 and B-25 bombed the full and Catalina first looked. . . (Pictures were not mine)

03.06.2007 12:02:00

airshow MAAM in Reading, Pennsylvania
Yeah, looking here, once you understand what it should be - the airshow. Well, nothing, in 70 years, and we will do nicely.
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polyarik removed at once - the sun is almost at its zenith and beats directly in front. It is a pity that not thought to look for such advice from: you need to prepare - card soltse-weather cap, cream. Instinct told where to stand, but was burned badly.

03.06.2007 12:11:00
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airshow MAAM in Reading, Pennsylvania
Yeah, looking here, once you understand what it should be - the airshow. Well, nothing, in 70 years, and we will do nicely.
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polyarik removed at once - the sun is almost at its zenith and beats directly in front. It is a pity that not thought to look for such advice from: you need to prepare - card soltse-weather cap, cream. Instinct told where to stand, but was burned badly.
Super Show. . . gallery "air battle" with the Yak-9 was not found, they are there? Sun in the face and at the zenith - yes, it's frustrating. . .

03.06.2007 12:17:00

gallery "air battle" with the Yak-9 was not found, they are there?
I understand - not yet posted

03.06.2007 13:40:00
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use a set 24-70L (for taxiing when close approach allowed), 100-400IS - the runway, the flight, the remaining cases.
100-400 - on monopod (a "paw" screwed), which is not so important when shooting, but simply unloads his hands and does not waste time on "vskidyvaniem" camera. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Well, do not forget - hat / bandana, a cream for burns, a couple of bottles of drink, something to chew on - waste to stall for zhrachkoy cherevato loss to warm places
In general, all the tips rather banal - the second or third set of filming will understanding. It's all described for the "first time".

good and complete answer to the topic

For us, Pitertsev, it is true, that is. To. Yesterday for the first time in the history of our military Knights and Swifts pilotazhniki deigned to fly to St. Petersburg.
will briefly express their vision, that is how it was with us, the more that your links showing how the live shows in the United States show the excellent organization contrasts with what we have.
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Ads in the city and on TV was not at all. Learned about the show from a friend.
I found in the internet a little more info. There have warned that many people expected and reported that the police will not let the show cars. It was said even that would cover the entire town of Pushkin, on the outskirts of which the event is held. Thus, my friend and I refused to travel by car. I have a photographic technique that you advised (5D, 24-70, 100-400), but not to take risks for fear of being beaten and that camera down with the lens taken away, took 300D and simple lens to him (Chin and 90-300). We got up early to have time to take place, rode on the train.
saw a very different picture than expected. Our cool people spit on the police and rushed to the machines, resulting in the entire town of Pushkin was packed and our shuttle bus to the station-by-threw us half way. Pёhom we, together with the flow of pedestrian aviation enthusiasts and circuses, finally got to the field. We have not reached the small crowd, taking the place of a better shooting from the point of view of the sun (though no one could say about the program operations and in what direction will fly). Were surprised that on the field there are no ads, no hands-free installation and any points of civilization in the form of stalls with water and toilets (expected that the show will be 50,000 - so about was, if not more). That is, there was virtually no organization whatsoever.

We rejoiced that they had come early, took place on the grass at the line of the cordon of soldiers being in the forefront. Waited so on the grass for two hours. People asked each other - when everything will start and that's what will happen? Go in the direction of the house where it was hoped to see the show program, we decided not to because the only road was packed with cars and a huge crowd of people who came and went. Well, of course we were afraid of losing the place.
Finally saw the helicopter. All revived. Showered with paratroopers then flew only one sport aerobatic airplane screw, which few people watched. Since there were no speakers, then no one has announced that it flew itself absolute world champion Svetlana Kapanina - the world's only pilotazhnitsa, performing risky figure "uncontrollable tailspin." Nobody said it would be made two flights on the sports aerobatic aircraft Su-26 With that she intends to devote the first memory of National Artist of the USSR Kirill Lavrov, the second - the memory of all the dead pilots.
people all coming and coming. In the end, it's a lot of "cool wise men" who ignored the first existing order and began to become brazenly before the first row. As a result, in front of us formed a hundred people and we were annoyed that stood up at 7 am, and plan the shoot, we still were relegated. I saw that it was good that I did not bring my monopod, as he still would not be amiss.
At the end of the show, we saw cars pulled strings directly from the airfield in the vicinity of the runway, which naturally ordinary people were not allowed soldiers. My friend learned from traveling from the field that let them there for the big money.

That's what now give advice on taking pictures airshow with us? I do not know.

Looked pictures of your links and envy.
couple of photos from the show put on photorecombination can be viewed at the link on my Web page.

03.06.2007 14:15:00
The fight itself was in the morning, and I sat in a traffic jam. All that is caught, already approaching the field - Sunset Yak-9 landing (sorry, through the windshield, the driver's seat) . While tilipalsya from the parking lot to the field was already sheathed. Less funny, custom will slowly spread in blog , and simply beautiful, most likely here (yet empty) . I hope this week raking - Upload slowly
the organization, of course sad that Peter all the way. Here - oiled machine for pumping out of money, but for that you get a full stuffing. From Nazi Tiger Loupian blank, to the delight of the audience, sitting down on the main runway business jets (they still do not hear), before crawling wounded soldiers (Russian, mainly ), pulled by a boxes of mineral water for two bucks for bottle. E. A ball for the whole family - kids show on earth, Mothers - singing in the style of 40th tightened "officers", express learning ballroom dancing and opportunity to match outfits that time, big boy - airshow. Stostranichny directory approximate schedule area for photographers and vedografov arrest and a fine of 10 thousand dollars for crossing the yellow-black and red line, a string of yellow buses from the parking lot to the entrance of the show - the organization level. Lots of my discontent was that did not indicate in which direction to take bus (it turned out that they ring - you can sit in either direction).
the other hand. Judging by the parking for the show was attended by both about 15-20 thousand people (I think that 2-3 people were coming by car and parking was 8 to 2000 cars each). 18 bucks for the ticket, plus double the price for zhrachku-water souvenirs, three days and a half show millionchik they cut. And that, in general, small-town show, nomadic by state. When it comes to this, that three days can be cut down so much the same, and for the month - four times more, and for this we need the most work organization and maintain order (because only depends on him occupancy), it will be in Russia as the same.

03.06.2007 14:27:00

no hands-free installation and any points of civilization in the form of stalls with water and toilets
There were toilets and beer and soft drinks, barbecue and so on. N. + Ads and comments on the "hands-free installation"
arrived, by the way, by car ( later 10), and it had to be left too far from the airport. We got to the main grandstand, and there was all what I said above + a small exhibition equipment (planes, helicopters, ammunition)
Here are some pictures from there (of course, someone better get ): http: // foto . ixbt. com /? id = album: 5833

03.06.2007 18:46:00
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no hands-free installation and any points of civilization in the form of stalls with water and toilets
There were toilets and beer and soft drinks, barbecue and so on. N. + Ads and comments on the "hands-free installation"
arrived, by the way, by car (10 minutes later), and it had to be left too far from the airport. We got to the main grandstand, and there was all what I said above + a small exhibition equipment (planes, helicopters, ammunition)
Here are some pictures from there (of course, someone better get ): http: // foto . ixbt. com /? id = album: 5833
I told you guessed that stands it is possible that there will be, but the desire to go there was not for:

1. there taking pictures bad because we would have to shoot against the sun. That is about it, no one thought. Although such events photo is a significant part of the program for almost everyone.
2. how many there were stalls and toilets? Probably not much, but because people were more than 50 thousand people and to stand for several hours at a stall / toilet desire does not deliver. Although this rule is we have to make a couple of points formally, without thinking about the people. People also used to like to stand in line - not a holiday without it.
3. What area occupied by stands and how the rest of the place where there were other people and otukda just to watch and photograph comfortably? Trbuny power ranged from 10%.
4. You remember: and whether it was easy to wade dumped standing around cars and crowds of people on a single path from the entrance to go to the stands? It is not easy to wade and would need about half an hour.

Perhaps you've learned that all random, unorganized and wildly, so consider this "event" rule. Unfortunately such bestial conditions often have the norm.

With regard to the fact that said Day_Men on the organization of public events familiar to me. Take for example Disneyland. Driving up from several branches to one of the walk-through, you take it with 6 bucks for parking, you go on your path, there is still pulls up to one girl, that you nazyaet room wing ploshadka number and row number in sotyanke and shows where to go. You're going on the territory lined with pointers and put the car in the specified location. Up to this point you're not out of the car. Each pad area is the Palace Square and many such sites. So all in abundance plenty of space. Next you're going to stop and the local tram-coupling with rubber tires will take you longer to enter. This free shuttle bus.
At Disneyland a huge amount of people, but everything is done so that you do not push anywhere and almost no standing in line. Well, maybe a little. Everything is thought out and considered. For food and drinks there take more expensive, of course, but not too cheeky expensive. And we have that in the parks, or say in places where you come in on a limited area (cinemas, theaters, steamers and tn) these things unless cheap? No. Sometimes the price is several times larger, but the service and the organization of bestial so that you're always chustvuesh that you brazenly rob.

03.06.2007 19:05:00

Ads in the city and on TV was not at all. Learned about the show from a friend.
I found in the internet a little more info. There have warned that many people expected and reported that the police will not let the show cars. It was said even that would cover the entire town of Pushkin, on the outskirts of which the event is held. Thus, my friend and I refused to travel by car. I have a photographic technique that you advised (5D, 24-70, 100-400), but not to take risks for fear of being beaten and that camera down with the lens taken away, took 300D and simple lens to him (Chin and 90-300). We got up early to have time to take place, rode on the train.
saw a very different picture than expected. Our cool people spit on the police and rushed to the machines, resulting in the entire town of Pushkin was packed and our shuttle bus to the station-by-threw us half way. Pёhom we, together with the flow of pedestrian aviation enthusiasts and circuses, finally got to the field. We have not reached the small crowd, taking the place of a better shooting from the point of view of the sun (though no one could say about the program operations and in what direction will fly). Were surprised that on the field there are no ads, no hands-free installation and any points of civilization in the form of stalls with water and toilets (expected that the show will be 50,000 - so about was, if not more). That is, there was virtually no organization whatsoever.



a lie.
I do not care what you have guessed it, but judging by your abitsiyam people you nasty and deceitful. This is not hitting, it is a statement of the facts, what you have written an absolute lie and try to compromise my country and the city administration - so I consider your vile and false statements.
was everything. Was an advertisement on the radio - that I just heard. There were toilets - about twenty. It was something to eat and drink. Was there a speaker with the live broadcast of ether from the cockpit.
So I have a very unfortunate accident with Pyatorochka, you fear left the house in a safe. Nobody
flow Mashta not stopped and no "police lines" as you deigned fantasized, erupts. And it was the opposite: a clear organization. Machines were allowed to park right at the airport. As long filling parking closed. Police deystvova just perfectly. Riot police was to maintain order. In short, "Mr. sovramshi" (C), from your post I can draw only one conclusion - you were there.

03.06.2007 20:42:00
"Airshow and Zuma" has grown into a show "and".

High arguments about the low culture of the organization show found its logical continuation in the demonstration of high culture. . . righteous rudeness.
Aviation + olkonavtika. : O)

03.06.2007 21:16:00

So I have a very unfortunate accident with Pyatorochka, you fear left the house in a safe.
That's what I thought. People with expensive equipment out there enough. But Gopnik drunk I did not notice, were true "pereevshie" people, but they quietly resting on the grass.

riot was to maintain order.
I still special forces "Typhoon" seen.

03.06.2007 21:30:00
[Q]:

2. how many there were stalls and toilets? Probably not much, but because people were more than 50 thousand people and to stand for several hours at a stall / toilet desire does not deliver. Although this rule is we have to make a couple of points formally, without thinking about the people. People also used to like to stand in line - not a holiday without it.

Hmm, apparently you have not reached the venue of the air show and was somewhere in the end of the strip. "Stalls" were a few dozen along the exposure of aircraft, where they sold souvenirs + beer + + kvass crackers + kebabs. . Composting toilets navezli whole area, so that the only event where there is practically Nebula queue!

3. What area occupied by stands and how the rest of the place where there were other people and otukda just to watch and photograph comfortably? Trbuny power ranged from 10%.

People camped along the runway, which is a few miles, and there was seen not only acrobatics and takeoff and landing aircraft, after jumping parachute soldiers cordon moved closer to Vzletka and you can watch not only with asphalt but with herbs . All the action began in the afternoon, when the sun was at its zenith and shoot from anywhere comfortably.

4. You remember: and whether it was easy to wade dumped standing around cars and crowds of people on a single path from the entrance to go to the stands? It is not easy to wade and would need about half an hour.

only thing that was bad, neblo pointers where to go. A wide road there, we had to go all the way along the cordon

03.06.2007 21:39:00
quote:
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a lie.
I do not care what you have guessed it, but judging by your abitsiyam people you nasty and deceitful. This is not hitting, it is a statement of the facts, what you have written an absolute lie and try to compromise my country and the city administration - so I consider your vile and false statements.
was everything. Was an advertisement on the radio - that I just heard. There were toilets - about twenty. It was something to eat and drink. Was there a speaker with the live broadcast of ether from the cockpit.
So I have a very unfortunate accident with Pyatorochka, you fear left the house in a safe. Nobody
flow Mashta not stopped and no "police lines" as you deigned fantasized, erupts. And it was the opposite: a clear organization. Machines were allowed to park right at the airport. As long filling parking closed. Police deystvova just perfectly. Riot police was to maintain order. In short, "Mr. sovramshi" (C), from your post I can draw only one conclusion - you were there.

Those guys own. . . . Well, you're a guy and ham that's really really a liar. Pretend that you did not see the space from the gate to the stands was 500 meters and width of all of 20 meters was filled with people. In this area there was nothing and did not even hear the announcements was the speaker who was with you there. You
as "not seen" (falsely Nedev blinkers) that the machines prihavshie the show stopper formed kilometer moving on half a meter per minute. All machines are still not fit around the field, my friend and I did not even understand the principle on which someone is allowed to enter there, but someone zavorachivvali. Places that was not enough.

That warning in the internet on behalf of the traffic police on limitation of motion:
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From -this airshow in Pushkin limit traffic and parking.
Tomorrow, June 2, from 10 to 16 hours at the airport in Pushkin airshow held in honor of the 65th anniversary of the second of the Red Army of the Leningrad Air Force and Air Defense. In this regard, from 8 am until the end of the event will be banned parking of transport in the area of ​​the Catherine Palace, as well as on the route from Pulkovo Highway to the restaurant "Compound" and on Garden Street in the restaurant "Compound".
Dresses traffic police will prevent unauthorized parking, and there was a car be removed by tow trucks, said "Fontanka" propaganda department UGIBDD Petersburg and Leningrad region.
asks drivers to think in advance of their routes of movement and not to travel by car to the Pushkin city.
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Here's a link to it http: // www. fontanka. ru / 2007/06/01/094 /

My photos from the show on photorecombination.

What are you angry yet. right bryzzhesh saliva. I uttered so much filth. Povydumyval much. But I said to you, and not even addressed. Significantly however.

03.06.2007 21:41:00

That's what I thought.

Okay, this emotion, just do not like false people. Maybe he just sat there at the gate and demanded the show. An adult, such as rash statements do! Yes, even on the entire planet!
If there was an inconvenience, which I noticed is the fact that towards the end of the show, motorists could not immediately leave.
Again, this is not because "a mess", but because the inspector blocked traffic for transport, enabling pedestrians, which there was tens of thousands, quietly exit the airport and walk down the street to the intersection - on all four sides. It also speaks of the deliberate organization.
the way we traveled to the airport, focusing on DPS-WIDE machines and the inspector showed where to go, had to ask for the card we have.
We left the car in the parking lot of a company left behind a crossroads and quietly left. There was only a cork at the Pulkovo highway - that's the only dissatisfaction. Well everything is organized and performance of all pilots and parachutists liked. But before the American show we are still far.


What are you angry yet. Right bryzzhesh saliva. I uttered so much filth. Povydumyval much. But I said to you, and not even addressed. Significantly however.

Yes, you annoy me. Their false statements. The fact that you could not get to the command tower and could not hear the speakers and could not find a urinal and could not eat and drink and could not be reached by the car and were afraid to take your expensive camera - says only that you something could , but not about what it was impossible.
But you state on these pages, pounding his butt to the chest that time you could not, all the organizers could not for you personally put toilet and a snack bar next to the gate.
And it just you talking nonsense, and your photo - I do not know where you got them. Can be borrowed?


you as "not seen" (falsely Nedev blinkers) that the machines on show prihavshie formed kilometer traffic jam by moving half a meter per minute. All machines are still not fit around the field, my friend and I did not even understand the principle on which someone is allowed to enter there, but someone zavorachivvali. Places that was not enough.

plug this to your surprise - kudato resolved. Probably evaporated under the rays of the warm June sun?


That warning in the internet on behalf of the traffic police on limitation of motion:

I read a "warning". Laughed to tears. E. You read that somewhere will evacuate the car and drove to the train?
Listen, my dear, poudalyat their posts, do not dishonor. At least remove their prose narrative about the service to which you have not reached.


03.06.2007 22:43:00

This is not hitting, it is a statement of the facts, what you have written an absolute lie and try to compromise my country and the city administration - so I consider your vile and false statements.
Police deystvova just perfectly. Riot police was to maintain order.

your posts without solving the problem of who was on the show, and who was not , leave a bad impression. Judging by the posts you have something to do with the authorities (well, there will be a normal person, even a patriot protect "city administration" ).
not sedites, but reread themselves. In the yard in 2007. Even if the provision of the show was part of your job responsibilities and you're done for the delivery of Bio-toilets, do not allow yourself to shouts in the style of 1937. . .

03.06.2007 23:18:00

well, there will be a normal person, even a patriot to protect "the city administration"

will not, but you're wrong - I am an ordinary HONEST viewer that unlike AleksaSpb easy to reach by car and asked for directions from Guys, parked the car at the intersection found a booth where he wrote, on which the speaker towers uncle told something someone do live with the pilots, BBQ and eat shashlik, nafotalsya on most nehochu nearly six gigs, looked airplanes, helicopter-bombs-patronchiki SAM and why -That is not worried about the contents of his bag for 5 thousand dollars, a walk in the crowd of onlookers, zafotal couple little girls at their request, quietly came to the car (bypassing the queue of cars on the road from the airport) and went home.
Dissatisfied I was only on the Pulkovo Highway.
And today forced to listen to some nonsense that Mr. loser talks to someone from the United States, about that in Russia everything is bad even on the show.
Why me, an ordinary engineer, dare not spend three thousand dollars on Pyaterochka, was good, and some terrified citizen with dimes and a set of smart optics - bad?
So that, my friend, do not fantasize, please, I do not advocate - I'm stating a fact: people - lied and lies should be punished. And that's why he did it - naively or by nature - that is another question, and I'm not interested.
Let's not blow this topic, especially if you were not (guess) at the event. I agree that the conversation was unpleasant, but I've always despised liars.

03.06.2007 23:58:00
Straight
my thoughts and write is not necessary.

04.06.2007 0:10:00


I still saw in 2000 and drying and 29tye at an airshow in Pushkin August 19 or 18, I do not remember when the Kursk sank. Then the problem was one - to get there. And suhari24 were there in the parking lot of ammunition and C-300 and improvised a lot aeroplanov. Just if the subject interests always find the Old.

04.06.2007 0:20:00

definitely! ! !

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04.06.2007 0:30:00

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